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    Quote Originally Posted by The Greatest View Post
    Its not an opinion its a statistical fact that he has been out performed by Clough in that aspects of the game relevant to a backrower.



    Its not about that at all because your comapring different positions. From an Aussie with SOO experience and years in the NRL I would expect more than a decent performance. I'd expect him to make more yards than a kid. I'd expect him to be able to tackle better than a kid. Id expect him maybe to have more to his game, perhaps making more yards, or some good offloads, some breaks / half breaks than your average run of the mill player.




    Only I didnt say that so you must have a serious reading disorder.




    quality. lol

    I havent denied you an opinion, you have had your opinion and I have told you that in my opinion its a load of cock. I am entightled to this opinion, much like you are.
    Cloughie has outperformed a lot of players, and by extension, there is no shame in it because certain prodigious youngster by the name of James Graham outperformed every other prop in the world. Stats can be misleading.

    I agree he does need to show more in his game, particularly tackle breaks etc.

    What you said was it was the Emporers New Clothes with people making things up about him that you "plebs" don't see because you are "too stupid" to see "due to our lack of knowledge". What I said in effect is that you are either doing yourself a major diservice, or are a conspiracy theorist, because nobody on here has said anything of the sort; you are entitled to not like Flanno or any of the others for that matter. Until about a week before the next election when anyone who dares will be arrested and held for 92days, you can voice any opinion you like. If anyone is a heretic on here its me for daring to criticise Sean Long!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Greatest View Post
    so you think that someone who comes with SOO pedigree and years in the NRL should be just "decent"
    I am not comparing him to anyone.When DA signed him we needed that type of player.Clough is benefitting from everyones support including Flannery.

    Flanno did not come over at the end of his NRL career and we will see the best of him.All teams need players like him especially as we have lost Bennett,Sculthorpe and Fozzie for this season with only one experienced player coming in.
    I would rather have Flanno than not.Having a "DECENT" player suites me compared to some of the pensioners other clubs bring over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Don View Post
    I am not comparing him to anyone.When DA signed him we needed that type of player.Clough is benefitting from everyones support including Flannery.
    Yet he was then named as not being the kind of player we needed to win the GF by Anderson.

    Flanno did not come over at the end of his NRL career and we will see the best of him.All teams need players like him especially as we have lost Bennett,Sculthorpe and Fozzie for this season with only one experienced player coming in.
    I would rather have Flanno than not.Having a "DECENT" player suites me compared to some of the pensioners other clubs bring over.
    He did however come over after suffering a major injury. For me, I'd expect a SOO player to be offering a lot more than he does, a one legged Sculthorpe playing out of position showed him to be very average in the attacking side of his game last year.

    I agree that we need experienced players in the side to guide the youngsters, and he may be doing a sterling job behind the scenes teaching them, however on the pitch he isn't delivering the kind of performances that justify him being given a contract, nor does he appear to be a particularly great leader on the pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billinge Lump View Post
    Yet he was then named as not being the kind of player we needed to win the GF by Anderson.



    He did however come over after suffering a major injury. For me, I'd expect a SOO player to be offering a lot more than he does, a one legged Sculthorpe playing out of position showed him to be very average in the attacking side of his game last year.

    I agree that we need experienced players in the side to guide the youngsters, and he may be doing a sterling job behind the scenes teaching them, however on the pitch he isn't delivering the kind of performances that justify him being given a contract, nor does he appear to be a particularly great leader on the pitch.
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    Dare i say that Flannery was a panic buy due to us running out of forwards? Obviously Sicknote, Fozzard, Cayless etc had a lot of time on the physio's table. However, Flannery is no mug. He is better than Mike Bennett but to play him in the centre? That would be a mistake, young wheeler is not ready to make the grade yet. We need a decent centre and soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mister chuffy View Post
    young wheeler is not ready to make the grade yet.
    How do you know? If he is good enough etc

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    Flannery is a good solid experienced pro, who was signed to give our backrow a bit more solidity and maturity.

    For me he has done that.

    Granted he isnt a world beater, however his defensive stats show what he has been tasked to do at the club.

    People forget that a side cant be full of blockbusting runners, you also need the people with high defensive workrate.

    Remember Flannery was signed at a time when it wasnt clear if Clough would reach the level he has so far achieved.

    When comparing stats, it must also not be forgotten that Flannery has been starting games, whereas Clough generally comes off the bench. It is easier to make yards against a tiring defence than a fresh defence.
    However on saying this Clough is far younger than Flannery, and has been outstanding for his age.

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    Chairmaker,
    I don't think many people doubt what you say, however, the question is, could we have got such a person without having to go all the way to Australia?

    If the answer is yes, then we are underming the British talent development by bringing in people like Flannery.

    I don't think anyone with any sense thinks Flannery is a duffer, but could we have got a similar standard of player in England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobble View Post
    Chairmaker,
    I don't think many people doubt what you say, however, the question is, could we have got such a person without having to go all the way to Australia?

    If the answer is yes, then we are underming the British talent development by bringing in people like Flannery.

    I don't think anyone with any sense thinks Flannery is a duffer, but could we have got a similar standard of player in England?
    The point I was always trying to make is that Flanno is no duffer but I do agree generally with your point about undermining British talent.
    At the AGM the Chairman specifically made the point that we are going to ,hopefully,reap the benefits of promoting from within.We do have many talented youngsters.
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    After looking at the stats again, i see Clough played 5 more games than Flannery. So strictly speaking, the stats are not quite a true reflection of the two players concerned.
    One set of stats means nothing, compare them after this season. It's an average you want, then you can say who leads the way.

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    Default Original thoughts on Flannery

    My original thought on Flannery back in Sept 07 with some replies people may possibly want to review


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    Flannery for Hooper
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    This is a mis-match Flannery has not shown to be anything like Hooper both in skill & passion, you always got 100% from Hooper the same can not be said from our latest Australian import






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    The guy will show his true class next season.. Very good solid player with great hands







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    Give him a break. Let him settle in.

    I have to wonder if these comments would be appearing if Flannery hadn't 'knocked on' so close to the try line in what could have turned the game, had he scored. Everyone makes mistakes.
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    This is a mis-match Flannery has not shown to be anything like Hooper both in skill & passion, you always got 100% from Hooper the same can not be said from our latest Australian import
    Dont remember hooper setting the world on fire in his first few games.
    Chill out cumbrian, its all gravy

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    But in all honesty who would you rather have Hooper or can not or will not break a tackle Flannery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumbrian Saint View Post
    But in all honesty who would you rather have Hooper or can not or will not break a tackle Flannery
    He broke 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobble View Post
    Chairmaker,
    I don't think many people doubt what you say, however, the question is, could we have got such a person without having to go all the way to Australia?

    If the answer is yes, then we are underming the British talent development by bringing in people like Flannery.

    I don't think anyone with any sense thinks Flannery is a duffer, but could we have got a similar standard of player in England?
    Saints if you remember were hoping to sign Stephen Wild in 2007, however in July 2007 he re-signed for Hudds.
    I think its therfore no coincidence that we signed Flannery in June 2007.
    I suspect Stephen Wild and agent messed us around before telling us to get lost sometime in May/June, we then implemented plan b, and signed Flannery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumbrian Saint View Post
    But in all honesty who would you rather have Hooper or can not or will not break a tackle Flannery
    when you look at those stats there's nowt much between them. Seem to remember him breaking through against Leeds in the semi for the first try or do you have selective memory syndrome. You need players like Flannery in any side to compliment the star players. Players do the hard graft.
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    check his second year stats 42 tackle busts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumbrian Saint View Post
    check his second year stats 42 tackle busts
    Check out his position too.

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    He rarely played at 3, in any year. I hope I am wrong about Fannery but on last years performances I don’t think so

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    Not read the whole thread so apologes if i repeat anything earlier mentioned.

    Flannery imo is a quality squad player,he's versitile,solid in defence and shows decent pivot play. Hooper was a cult figure but a very similar player,maybe people noticed Hoops more because of the late challenges on kickers.

    The experience alone that Lego Head brings to the side is invaluable,people are forgetting last season he was coming back from a serious leg break and was lacking in confidence.

    The only thing that lets him down is he looks like Blobby

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    Dont see why Flanno is getting stick at all to be honest.

    Hard-working player with excellent defence and is good going forward too.

    There are a few players more worthy of being criticised following last seasons' performances if you ask me.

    Flannery is a decent player

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    Aha support for Flanno at last !
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Inside Man View Post
    Not read the whole thread so apologes if i repeat anything earlier mentioned.

    Flannery imo is a quality squad player,he's versitile,solid in defence and shows decent pivot play. Hooper was a cult figure but a very similar player,maybe people noticed Hoops more because of the late challenges on kickers.
    The experience alone that Lego Head brings to the side is invaluable,people are forgetting last season he was coming back from a serious leg break and was lacking in confidence.

    The only thing that lets him down is he looks like Blobby
    he did more than that mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter soutos tash View Post
    he did more than that mate
    Where did i say he didn't?

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