One stat I do know is that the current average age of Covid deaths is 82 and the average age for all deaths is 81. Info not making a point.
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I don’t know how you can come to this conclusion, the whole thing has been an absolute sh*tshow from the start you only have to look at just about every other country having fans back in stadiums while there’s a good chance that we’ll be going back into lockdown for a few weeks. Not to mention we have the highest death total in Europe and are in one of the deepest recessions in the world. Saying that because Labour were indecisive on Brexit they would have been indecisive on Covid is completely ridiculous as well. They were in an impossible position on Brexit given that the majority of Labour voters voted to remain yet the majority of Labour held constituencies voted to leave. Whichever side they picked they would have lost which is why they spent so long trying to come up with a strategy that would limit the damage. I can almost guarantee we would have locked down sooner in the first place and not allowed people to just fly in unchecked. To suggest that all the Government has done is follow the scientists advice is nonsense also considering that SAGE advised a circuit breaker lockdown 3 weeks ago.
That's your opinion, fine. Having followed the leadership of the party under Corbyn very closely I can say without any fear that it was the most ill-disciplined, lazy and indecisive leadership group that either major party has had in my lifetime. Brexit is just the icing on the cake, there are countless examples of the dithering and lack of direction that ultimately meant that a proper left-wing alternative to a Tory government got annihilated last December. It was a huge wasted opportunity, and the leadership are almost solely to blame for it.
To think that Corbyn would have placed the right people around him to deal with a global crisis is laughable. He couldn't even resolve easy stuff that would have prevented him dipping in the polls last year because he averse to making difficult decisions. To think we would have had effective and constructive leadership is naive to say the least, and I'm not basing this on being opposed to a Labour government as I've been a member of the party for most of my adult life.
I'm no fan of this government, and I don't remember saying they'd done a good job either. I was merely saying that we'd be in a mess regardless. I will accept that the current mess is a different issue, and the Tories have gone against scientific advice in the last month or so. But I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the whole process whereby governments get blamed for stuff that nobody else would have done better. Mistakes were made, but by scientists, the health service, and the government, but only one branch of that ever gets the blame.
2 of my pals have lost their dads to COVID in May and July. That’s what it says on their death certs anyway.
One was in his 70’s, of Bengali descent and was almost blind and struggled to walk due to Type 2 Diabetes.
The other was also in his 70’s and had lung cancer.
I wonder if creative accounting has been being used for recording these deaths, because evryone else who I know who has had it (includes people at work) have all been under 50 and hardly been affected......
Just making a statement, not trying to instigate conspiracy theories
I knew a guy in his early 50's, fit, who died of it. One of my closest friends in her 30's again, fit and healthy is currently in horrendous pain with it. I was redeployed from my usual LA work to assist local communities and spoke with many people (over the phone) who told me they have never been so ill, some for 4/5 weeks. This is a serious illness even if the probability is you won't die of it.
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The thing is you don't know if Starmer would have done anything different. Madrid Region is in lockdown Catalunya is in lockdown also Netherlands and Belgium. Paris and other major French cities expected to be announced today. Some of those have socialist governments, others centre right. This virus has caught left right and centrist parties out. I think it more a case of the suddenness and scale of this virus; it does not respect party lines.
Exactly, the only ones that seem to have done okay are Eastern Asian countries, or remote countries..
We are also testing a lot more than the rest of Europe now, almost twice the number per population than Germany, Italy and France, and about a about 100k per million more than Spain.
Seemingly no matter what anyone does, the end result is the same, no country is like for like for demographic, density etc.
Yeah, I’ve had mates in their 30s who have had it and have told me how horrible it can be. My step mother on the other hand, in her late 50s had it and didn’t seem fussed. It’s more likely to whack you if you’re older, but the assumption that anyone under 40 who is relatively health will only get a cough and be running marathons within the week is naive to say the least.
I have a mate in the States who used to live in the Far East and he’s spoken to me lots about the culture of face masks in that part of the world, and how it really helped them. Whether it be from smog, SARS or other cultural factors, wearing a mask from day one can’t have hurt.
It’s amazing to thing that we could shop in a Tesco without a mask in April and May when the virus was at its worst, but now it’s the law. That was a bad mistake.
Corbyn would have taken us back towards the 1950's socialism whilst still having his connections with terrorists organisations. You are completely correct that Corbyn would struggle putting the right people in positions of domestic and international stature, I cringe of the thought that Diane Abbott could've been home secretary. All the "centre" experienced labour MP's are now on the back benches now with little influence. He also has the worse record of voting against his own government in Blair and Brown.
Is anybody else reminded of the Mayor in Jaws whenever Boris starts to announce the next policy.
Well on my ballot paper there were more than two options. This I voted Boris because Corbyn was an IRA/PLO operative doesn’t cut it. The option wasn’t a bumbling homophic racist over privileged buffon or and terrorist operative. There were other options. Boris has a track record in the foreign office and as London mayor of showing that he was incompetent for high office.
A friends parents 83 & 84 both tested positive but didn't know they had it, no symptoms apparently even though average age of Covid deaths is 82. Difficult to verify I know but there seems nothing to get on top of it as it stands.
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I think having good people is the key to running a country as it is to running a business, one to the problems with the wrangle over Brexit is that a lot of seasoned Tory MPs who may have helped to guide the government either fell out of favour or retired.
Whether you love or hate Johnson he's been unlucky to have this land in his lap, I can't see him winning another election in 5yrs time unless he single handedly discovers a cure for Covid in his potting shed.
By the sheer law of averages Labour must be due to win an election soon, I think Starmer will just keep his nose clean and remain neutral on most topics and let the Tories self destruct
This is a tough call for any government, Worldwide most are following the same protocol, yet we have locked down society for a disease with a less than 3% mortality rate, touted as 12-15% at the start. When this did not materialize it was then about protecting chronically underfunded Health Services across the board.
This has to stop, there is not going to be a vaccine in the near future, it is time to put the resources into the vulnerable and get on with life.
I think the Tories will see this and sacrifice him at a convenient time for him to take Covid with him. Sunak is seen as heir apparent rising star just depends whether he's also seen as being tainted (back-up Raab). It'll be interesting to see if Sunak starts to put some ground between himself as Chancellor and Johnson as PM as that'll signal the start of the plot while also creating a gap. Labour surely can't do as badly next time but can Starmer continue doing what he's doing once the hard left that despise him kick off at him.
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Its a torrid time for any government in power at the moment trying to battle on 3 fronts Economy-Covid-Brexit, he can't possibly deliver policy to the masses of Labour electorates who voted him into power. Its likely Covid will still be a threat at the turn of the year when we have left the EU for good, maybe all the economies will be so weak we won't feel the full effects of Brexit so much.
France has just announced a 9pm curfew in all major cities which I assume they can't go out at all beyond that time, they're surely targeting bars and restaurants.
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