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Tallahassee
3rd November 2007, 21:14
I'd just like to say congratulations to the GB team on winning the test series against New Zealand.Ok not the strongest NZ team ever to tour but for once GB was picked mostly on form and key positions filled by players who regularly play in them.How stupid does Noble look now not playing Leon Pryce at stand off for the whole of the tri nations last year.;)

quirkesboots
3rd November 2007, 21:21
He must have egg all over his pie eating face:D

The Chair Maker
3rd November 2007, 21:28
Outstanding win.

All those Kiwis play in the NRL or are SL stars.

On paper the Kiwis brought over one of their strongest ever teams.

Players like Pritchard, Fui Fui moi moi and Asotasi are ranked amongst the best in australia and yet they have been outclassed.

Leon Pryce has shown himself to be world class.

Ade Garder is proving a revelation at international level.

Saints-Crusaders
3rd November 2007, 21:35
Yet to be convinced about Sinfield though.......... was the only disappointment out of the whole 17 GB players

quirkesboots
3rd November 2007, 21:39
not seen the game . Been to bonfire with kids ,who got mom and how did saints lads play

Agent Mulder
3rd November 2007, 21:55
not seen the game . Been to bonfire with kids ,who got mom and how did saints lads play

Peacock got man of match. I thought it should have been Wello he was outstanding yet again. That tackle which stopped them scoring was superb. Saints players all played well Pryce, Wello and Gardner all scored. Sinfield was garbage and should never have played.

The Greatest
3rd November 2007, 21:57
.How stupid does Noble look now not playing Leon Pryce at stand off for the whole of the tri nations last year.;)

About as stupid as he looked when he refused to play him their for Bradford and he ended up buggering off to us.

quirkesboots
3rd November 2007, 21:57
tHANKS FOR THAT MATEY

Tallahassee
3rd November 2007, 22:00
They reckon Sinfield was still feeling the effects of the virus he got last week.I agree all the Saints players played well,even O'Loughlin played well!(Im going to get hammered for that!)One thing that confuses me...why the bombs were never played to Gardener's wing?:???:

The Chair Maker
3rd November 2007, 22:14
They reckon Sinfield was still feeling the effects of the virus he got last week.I agree all the Saints players played well,even O'Loughlin played well!(Im going to get hammered for that!)One thing that confuses me...why the bombs were never played to Gardener's wing?:???:

Because when they did bomb him he took them easily.

saint_me
3rd November 2007, 22:17
I honestly think that is one of the weakest NZ teams ever to tour and anyone who wishes to prove me wrong then please do so. There was at least 6 players in that team that would not be starting if they had a fully fit squad.

Also i think the World 13 did pretty well but I still think the aussies would have beat us so let's not get to excited about it

Paul Cullen's Mantra
3rd November 2007, 22:19
Top effort from all concerned....We just blew them away. On that performace we have a side that can live with, and beat, the Aussies. It seems that now we have strength in depth, and have the team spirit and determination to be world beaters......Tony Smith for DA I say!!

quirkesboots
3rd November 2007, 22:28
I honestly think that is one of the weakest NZ teams ever to tour and anyone who wishes to prove me wrong then please do so. There was at least 6 players in that team that would not be starting if they had a fully fit squad.

Also i think the World 13 did pretty well but I still think the aussies would have beat us so let's not get to excited about it
To be fair gb can only beat the team put out against them

Tallahassee
3rd November 2007, 22:28
No,sorry you misunderstand me,when GB where attacking,why not bomb toward Gardeners wing,Gardeners has scored a few tries this season from bombs(wont be from Gidleys passes!lol )

quirkesboots
3rd November 2007, 22:32
No,sorry you misunderstand me,when GB where attacking,why not bomb toward Gardeners wing,Gardeners has scored a few tries this season from bombs(wont be from Gidleys passes!lol )
Iagree greedy twonk

The Chair Maker
3rd November 2007, 22:33
I honestly think that is one of the weakest NZ teams ever to tour and anyone who wishes to prove me wrong then please do so. There was at least 6 players in that team that would not be starting if they had a fully fit squad.

Also i think the World 13 did pretty well but I still think the aussies would have beat us so let's not get to excited about it

rubbish.

The vast majority of the team play in the supposedly vastly superior NRL and are first choice/star players.

the last time we defeated the Kiwis most of their players were effectively amateurs playing in NZ, with only a handfull attached to british and aussie teams.

You have done the typically British thing of deriding opposition when we defeat them, yet whenever we lose we say they are awesome.

ploughman
3rd November 2007, 22:45
great performance tonight.i thought pryce stepped up a level even from the match in sydney last year.he has cemented his place at 6 in the gb team.for me he is now first choice stand off.he has got saints to thank for that for giving him the chance to play there regularly and bringing his game on.he is a better player now then when he arrived
wello back to his best.great game from gardner,good pass from gleeson wasn't it?

Reacher
3rd November 2007, 23:39
GB were excellent, of that there is no doubt. But NZ were without SBW, Benji Marshall and others who are regulars in the NRL. No matter what anyone says, the NRL is still the best in the world, (and yes I know British sides normally win the WCC). GB have the makings of a good side and are now very powerful in the forwards, and also creative in the halves, as Pryce and Burrow linked up well.

However Australia are a different proposition altogether. I can honestly say if we played them in a 3 game series here or over there, then they would win all the games. Sorry for not being patriotic, just giving my honest opinion. They are still ahead when it comes to international competition and if they were to put a full side out then they would show this. Lets not forget that they beat NZ 58-0 also.

Was impressed with the Saints lads, thought Wello was outstanding, Graham made some good yards, and Gardner looked solid throughout. Peacock was immense and Pryce played for 80 mins instead of his usual 40 for Saints.

Lets not get carried away is all I am saying.

Billy Bunter
3rd November 2007, 23:45
I've posted this elsewhere, but I'll add it on here:



Imagine the scenario if it was GB losing 44-0 tonight.

We'd complain about refereeing decisions and get called whinging Poms, and to stop being ill-disciplined.

We'd say, well we've been hit by injuries and retirements, and we'd be told you have to deal with that.

We'd say that the Kiwis only beat our 2nd string, yet we'd then be told its indicative of our lack of depth.



Its rule 9a of the RLIF handbook, "Great Britain shall not be given credit for any victory for it must be a result of the opposing side's shortfalls".


And my non-sarcastic thoughts on the game.

Wellens was a 100% improvement on last week, awesome tackle!
Gardner was quietly effective, took his try well. Doesn't look out of his depth.
Gleeson looks leaden-footed compared to previous years. Quiet bar a nice pass for the above try.
Senior was solid enough.
Raynor impressed me, often does actually, happy with him there for now.
Pryce was superb. Certainly not a traditional 6, but why should he be when he does what he does.
Burrow fantastic again. Forming a great partnership.
Morley looks more like his Roosters-self.
Clarke was solid, did all was asked.
Peacock was great as per his usual international performances.
Ellis, despite a couple of good runs, needs to offer a bit more in attack IMHO.
O'Loughlin's best GB performance. Gained confidence and even looked threatening once or twice!
Sinfield was dross during the time he was on. Kicked his goals but his standard international effort.

Fa'asavalu held up his end without reaching any great heights.
Graham ran hard, tackled well and never took a backward step. Will be a mainstay.
Burgess IMHO was better than last week. Even more threat in attack. Destined for greatness.
McGuire linked okay without really offering much of a threat.


Weak NZ or not, I liked the look of GB tonight. Our attack is a 100% improvement on the previous regime. We actually use decoy runners, spread the ball wide, and offload. Defensive line looks solid and organised without people flying out.

Happy days.

Billy Bunter
3rd November 2007, 23:47
However Australia are a different proposition altogether. I can honestly say if we played them in a 3 game series here or over there, then they would win all the games. Sorry for not being patriotic, just giving my honest opinion. They are still ahead when it comes to international competition and if they were to put a full side out then they would show this. Lets not forget that they beat NZ 58-0 also.



Fair do's, we've still got a lot to do. Just bear in mind that Steve Matai was sent off for the Kiwis after about 20 mins in the game you mention.

Greengrass
4th November 2007, 01:37
You have done the typically British thing of deriding opposition when we defeat them, yet whenever we lose we say they are awesome.


Well it is government policy, the handbook of political correctness chapter 9. ;)

Barbarian
4th November 2007, 03:31
I've posted this elsewhere, but I'll add it on here:



Imagine the scenario if it was GB losing 44-0 tonight.

We'd complain about refereeing decisions and get called whinging Poms, and to stop being ill-disciplined.

We'd say, well we've been hit by injuries and retirements, and we'd be told you have to deal with that.

We'd say that the Kiwis only beat our 2nd string, yet we'd then be told its indicative of our lack of depth.



Its rule 9a of the RLIF handbook, "Great Britain shall not be given credit for any victory for it must be a result of the opposing side's shortfalls".




Couldnt agree more. NZ were pretty poor but GB can only beat whats put in front of them and I cant see NZ being significantly better at the world cup so we will have a huge mental advantage over them next year. We put up a very solid and impressive performance and all of us should feel proud of that. We didnt just beat them, we completly outplayed them in both attack and defence, scoring many points and keeping a top international team scoreless. If the score had been the other way round then we would be calling for a new coach and saying we may as well not even turn up to the world cup. Give credit where credits due. We beat them 44-0, what more do you want? Even if it was 100-0 some people on here would still find fault. Saints didnt even get such an impressive scoreline all this season

are you blind ref
4th November 2007, 09:29
What pleased me most was the way GB played as a team. They really seem to have gelled together which means that the ball is being thrown around more and the moves are coming off. Great to see such a big crowd there too.

I thought it was a great team effort but I would have given MOM to Wello or Raynor myself. Perhaps NZ haven't got their strongest side but we can list a few players that were missing too.

Well done GB - onwards and upwards :D

Knight Shadow
4th November 2007, 09:34
well i am absoultey chuffed to bits! we have the series now lets see if we can keep improving and get a 3-0 job! as for the fact NZ were week acording to some people ask the lads who played them last night when thay wake up thismorning because i will bet that there are a lot of saw bodies in the GB camp as no top level internashnal game is easey these men are playing for pride. as for people putting GB down...WE HAVE WON THE SERIES SO CRAM IT! be happey for once have you forgoten how to smile or something?? look ---> :) smile see not hard!

Annies Song
4th November 2007, 11:02
I thought it was a great performance last night, although i don,t disagree with peacock getting mom i thought wello deserved it just as much with pryce being close behind, Gardner had a good solid game, he took some good catches, it was a good all round team performance, just sinfield was a bit weak but maybe because he was a bit rusty having not played last week.
WELL DONE GB !:D

Supersaint
4th November 2007, 12:36
Outstanding win.


On paper the Kiwis brought over one of their strongest ever teams.




Please tell me you dont really believe that?

Paul Cullen's Mantra
4th November 2007, 13:06
Please tell me you dont really believe that?


On paper we had a strong team for the GF......say no more.:???: :???:

THELAST3YARDS
4th November 2007, 13:19
On paper we had a strong team for the GF......say no more.:???: :???:

Eh?

Blobbynator
4th November 2007, 13:22
Outstanding win.

All those Kiwis play in the NRL or are SL stars.

On paper the Kiwis brought over one of their strongest ever teams.

Players like Pritchard, Fui Fui moi moi and Asotasi are ranked amongst the best in australia and yet they have been outclassed.

Leon Pryce has shown himself to be world class.

Ade Garder is proving a revelation at international level.

I'm not sure about this part. They have no class in the halves and whilst the forwards are good, they have no real quality in the back whatsoever. I'm no connoisseur of the NRL, so I'm not sure who isn't available, but I'm sure they have more quality in the backline left at home e.g. Matt Utai and then there's Brent Webb too.

But, I thought GB were outstanding in every area. Dominant performance up front, the halves were excellent with Pryce proving why he is the best 6 in the country. I think another year at 6 will put him up there with the best 6's the world has to offer. He's forming a superb partnership with Burrow. The back's are playing well, although we probably lack a good strike Centre. Gleeson is finding some good form which is a relief and I hope he has a big year at Wire next year as we'll need him in top form for the World Cup. Wellens was excellent yesterday and has shut up the critics for a bit. Overall, superb.

Paul Cullen's Mantra
4th November 2007, 13:22
Does it rteally matter,"WHAT IS ON PAPER?". If they can't do it on the pitch, or are prevented from doing so, it means diddly squat!

THELAST3YARDS
4th November 2007, 13:26
Saints didn't do it on GF night.

This New Zealand team is nowhere near the quality of past teams that have toured these shores.

On Paper, On the Plane coming over, On the coach going to the game, On the pitch during the game this is not one of the strongest ever teams brought over by the Kiwis.

Paul Cullen's Mantra
4th November 2007, 13:29
So how strong would they have been if they would have beaten us, old chap?

Sadfish
4th November 2007, 13:49
Saints didn't do it on GF night.

This New Zealand team is nowhere near the quality of past teams that have toured these shores.

On Paper, On the Plane coming over, On the coach going to the game, On the pitch during the game this is not one of the strongest ever teams brought over by the Kiwis.
Jon Clarke inspired GB team beats under strength kiwis, which team was understrength again?

Players still playing who could have played for GB last night where , scully, fielden, keiron, newton, long, deacon, roby, diskin, wild ,jones-buchanan, you know it goes on........ thats the same excuse that the kiwis are using.

well if they are so good why are they not touring?

THELAST3YARDS
4th November 2007, 13:57
So how strong would they have been if they would have beaten us, old chap?

Not as strong as previous touring teams - which was the point of the post.

THELAST3YARDS
4th November 2007, 13:59
Jon Clarke inspired GB team beats under strength kiwis, which team was understrength again?

Players still playing who could have played for GB last night where , scully, fielden, keiron, newton, long, deacon, roby, diskin, wild ,jones-buchanan, you know it goes on........ thats the same excuse that the kiwis are using.

well if they are so good why are they not touring?

Are you missing the point of my post deliberately?

I disagreed with Chairmakers point that this is one of the strongest NZ touring teams. I do not think it is.

Do you?

Blobbynator
4th November 2007, 15:03
Are you missing the point of my post deliberately?

I disagreed with Chairmakers point that this is one of the strongest NZ touring teams. I do not think it is.

Do you?

Agreed, but it wasn't a bad Kiwi side. The pack is still strong (Moi Moi, Asotasi, Pritchard etc), although they are very weak in the halves. It just proves the lack of depth they have in the halves in NZ and how much they've relied on Stacey Jones.

Saint Jasper
4th November 2007, 15:36
Agreed, but it wasn't a bad Kiwi side. The pack is still strong (Moi Moi, Asotasi, Pritchard etc), although they are very weak in the halves. It just proves the lack of depth they have in the halves in NZ and how much they've relied on Stacey Jones.


Quite!
I think they have missed both Jones and the presence of Wiki. However you can't point to the absence of SBW - when is he ever fit? As has been said we also had players missing so it could've been even more embarrassing for the Kiwis.

As for us I thought apart from Sinfield and McGuire all our team had good games - some were outstanding. MOM was definitely Wello. Next week should be an interesting team selection given Tony Smith's comments after the match.

Barbarian
4th November 2007, 16:08
Their coach blamed the fact that he has 15 players missing through various circumstances. As has been said we had a fair few missing aswell

Scully
Long
Cunningham
Roby
Diskin
Newton
Cooke
Calderwood
Yeaman
Deacon
Harris
Fielden
Horne
Fozzard
Briers
Wilkin
Gilmour
Briscoe
Thackrey
JJB
Platt
Carney
Radlinski
Farrell


All international class players who didnt feature in the squad. Some through Smith's choice, but many for other circumstances.

Supersaint
4th November 2007, 16:22
Their coach blamed the fact that he has 15 players missing through various circumstances. As has been said we had a fair few missing aswell

Scully
Long
Cunningham
Roby
Diskin
Newton
Cooke
Calderwood
Yeaman
Deacon
Harris
Fielden
Horne
Fozzard
Briers
Wilkin
Gilmour
Briscoe
Thackrey
JJB
Platt
Carney
Radlinski
Farrell


All international class players who didnt feature in the squad. Some through Smith's choice, but many for other circumstances.


We didn't have anyone missing bar Roby, we were at full strength and that list is a load of rubbish, their either retired, not even playing rl or deemed by the powers that be NOT good enough.

Barbarian
4th November 2007, 16:36
We didn't have anyone missing bar Roby, we were at full strength and that list is a load of rubbish, their either retired, not even playing rl or deemed by the powers that be NOT good enough.


But in an ideal world we would have a team of -

Wellens
Calderwood
Gleeson
Senior
Carney
Pryce
Long
Fielden
Cunningham
Morley
Peacock
Sculthorpe
Farrell

Roby
Fasa'avalu
Burgess
Sinfield

Greengrass
4th November 2007, 16:58
But in an ideal world we would have a team of -

Wellens
Calderwood
Gleeson
Senior
Carney
Pryce
Long
Fielden
Cunningham
Morley
Peacock
Sculthorpe
Farrell

Roby
Fasa'avalu
Burgess
Sinfield

An IDEAL world?? Carney & Farrell both Union, Cunningham RETIRED from Internationals, Long no longer good enough. WHAT have Rayner and Gardner done wrong.

Reacher
4th November 2007, 17:53
I dont think anyone is doubting the performance of GB last night. They were excellent and yes there was a lot more fluency and cohesion and some great performances. But the reality check is that we need to do this against Australia and on a regular basis.

How many times do we win the 1st test in a series and then normal service is resumed with the Aussies winning the last 2. Home advantage has been a major factor too, could we envisage a series win in Australia? Probably not. No one is doubting the potential of this team and there are some good youngsters coming through, but IMO only Roby would have played last night if available, possibly a fully fit Yeaman. Definitely not Calderwood. No matter what people say, we were more or less at full strength.

The Chair Maker
4th November 2007, 20:25
If fit and available for slection Long, Sculthorpe, Cunningham, Carney and Roby would all be definates.

For Sculthopre read Sonny bill Wiliams for Benji Marshall read Shaun Long, for Vatuvei read Brian Carney.

Shontayne Hape played in that Kiwi team and many people regard him as the best centre playing in the northern hemisphere.

The Kiwi pack were all NRL. The kiwis prefering not to select what they regard as lower quality powder puff SL players.
Players like Fu fu moi moi were courted by the Kangaroos, such is the esteem with which he is regarded down under.

The fact they didnt perform is down to the attitude of the GB players not the fact the Kiwis were rubbish.

Reacher
4th November 2007, 22:15
No one is doubting the performance. I am talking about doing it against Australia. And how can you quote Long, Cunningham and Carney when they have retired from international RL. I have not even mentioned Stacey Jones as being absent from NZ. I am talking about players currently available to play, which is why I am saying probably only Roby would have played. Am not even sure Sculthorpe would get in the team.

I still feel we are behind Australia and that they would beat us 3-0 in a series home or away.

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
5th November 2007, 10:11
GB were excellent, of that there is no doubt. But NZ were without SBW, Benji Marshall and others who are regulars in the NRL. No matter what anyone says, the NRL is still the best in the world, (and yes I know British sides normally win the WCC). GB have the makings of a good side and are now very powerful in the forwards, and also creative in the halves, as Pryce and Burrow linked up well.

However Australia are a different proposition altogether. I can honestly say if we played them in a 3 game series here or over there, then they would win all the games. Sorry for not being patriotic, just giving my honest opinion. They are still ahead when it comes to international competition and if they were to put a full side out then they would show this. Lets not forget that they beat NZ 58-0 also.

Was impressed with the Saints lads, thought Wello was outstanding, Graham made some good yards, and Gardner looked solid throughout. Peacock was immense and Pryce played for 80 mins instead of his usual 40 for Saints.

Lets not get carried away is all I am saying.

they beat the same NZ team 58-0, but NZ played the majoirty of the game with 12 men on the field and 2 players off injured. this was a fantastic performance against a good team and all the players deserve all the credit they get.

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
5th November 2007, 10:18
But in an ideal world we would have a team of -

Wellens
Calderwood
Gleeson
Senior
Carney
Pryce
Long
Fielden
Cunningham
Morley
Peacock
Sculthorpe
Farrell

Roby
Fasa'avalu
Burgess
Sinfield

which ideal world is that?

none of the extra players you have named would improve the current team.

Greengrass
5th November 2007, 10:26
LONG would not get into Smiths team IMHO, I think Smith would consider him a liability and he is not worth a place even if he wanted to be considered.