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geordie saint
25th October 2007, 14:19
As we are talking about Fas now representing GB can you think of any other sporting people who now represent us in any sport.... I can think of Lennox Lewis ( canadian ), Rudsedski ( canadian ) and im sure there are plenty of others:confused:

Shaft
25th October 2007, 14:20
Cricket has had loads!

Pietersen for one, then stepping back in time, Allan Lamb, Robin smith, Graham Hick, Alan Mullally, Andrew Caddick! The list goes on!

day09
25th October 2007, 14:22
kevin peiterson
alan lamb
zola bud

Shakespeare
25th October 2007, 14:24
Darren Britt (Aus)

SaintJon
25th October 2007, 14:24
owen hargreaves
matt catt
geirant jones

Div
25th October 2007, 14:32
I still cannot believe Tulsen Tollett played and toured for GB

Sadfish
25th October 2007, 14:33
I still cannot believe Tulsen Tollett played and toured for GB
I always thought he only actually played 1 match for England. All the other GB gamse he played where "Tour" matches and not "Tests".

Div
25th October 2007, 14:37
I always thought he only actually played 1 match for England. All the other GB gamse he played where "Tour" matches and not "Tests".



You may well be correct but I dont understand the distinction.

Sadfish
25th October 2007, 14:38
You may well be correct but I dont understand the distinction.
A tour match isnt an official test, usually they are against President select side etc, Test matches are the Full Honours MAtches we play v NZ or Australia or France etc....

Here's all the 1996 tour matches, I cant remember him being on any others....




Tour Match, 25th September 1996
at Rebiamul Oval Mount Hagen.

Great Britain Select XIII 34 (Tony Smith 2, Keith Senior, James Lowes,
David Bradbury, Karl Hammond tries; Steve Prescott 5 goals) beat
PNG Presidents Select XIII 8 (D Tiki, C Itam tries).
Half time: 10-4. Referee: Anthony Kuni.
Great Britain Select XIII: Steve Prescott; Jonathan Roper,
Barrie-Jon Mather, Keith Senior, Jason Critchley; Daryl Powell,
Tony Smith; Steve Molloy, James Lowes, Brian McDermott,
David Bradbury, Mick Cassidy, Karl Hammond; Tulsen Tollett,
Neil Harmon, Adrian Morley, Rowland Phillips.
PNG Presidents Select XIII: John; D Tiki, Mosoka, Poka, C Itam;
Buka, Mal; Sari, Daniel, Batki, Aki, Norman, Kamiak; Tete, Zuku,
Kaiyaman, Sune.


Test, 28th September 1996
at Lae.

Great Britain 32 (Kris Radlinski 2, Anthony Sullivan, Bobbie Goulding,
Keiron Cunningham tries; Bobbie Goulding 6 from 6 goals) beat
Papua New Guinea 30 (Ben Biri 2, Robert Sio, David Gomia,
Stanley Gene, Adrian Lam tries; Elias Paiyo 3 from 8 goals).
Half-time: 12-16. Crowd: 8,000. Referee: Stephen Clark.
Great Britain: Stuart Spruce; Joey Hayes, Kris Radlinski, Alan Hunte,
Anthony Sullivan; Iestyn Harris, Bobbie Goulding; Paul Broadbent,
Keiron Cunningham, Terry O'Connor, Denis Betts, Chris Joynt,
Andy Farrell (c); Paul Sculthorpe, Rowland Phillips, Tony Smith,
Daryl Powell.
Papua New Guinea: Robert Sio; James Kops, Marcus Bai, Robert Tela,
David Gomia; Stanley Gene, Adrian Lam (c); Ben Biri, Elias Paiyo,
Raymond Kari, Nande Yer, David Westley, Bruce Mamando; Reuben Ruing,
Max Tire, Simon Kundi, Obert Batia.



Tour Match, 2nd October 1996
at Churchill Park Lautoka Fiji.

Great Britain 42 (Karle Hammond 3, Joey Hayes, Keith Senior,
Jason Critchley, Tulsen Tollett, Mick Cassidy,
Steve Prescott 5 goals) beat
Fiji President's XIII 16 (Eparawa Navale, Pauca Baravilala,
Jonie Koroi tries; I Takaladau 2 goals).
Half time: 26-0. Crowd: 3000. Referee: T Nunu (Fiji).
Great Britain: Steve Prescott; Joey Hayes, Barrie-Jon Mather,
Keith Senior, Jason Critchley; Karle Hammond, Tulsen Tollett;
Neil Harmon, James Lowes (c), Terry O'Connor, David Bradbury,
Mick Cassidy, Chris Joynt; Anthony Sullivan, Steve Molloy,
Adrian Morley, Bernard Dwyer.
Fiji: Eparawa Navale; Pauca Baravilala, Dau, Kativerata, Vatubua;
Takaladau, Maraivalu; Lomaloma, Noilea, Bainivalu, Soqe,
Raiwaqavuku, Tupou; Ovalase, Jonie Koroi, Botenakadavu, Suka.
Man of the match: Terry O'Connor.


Test, 5th October 1996
at Prince of Wales Park Nada Fiji.

Great Britain 72 (Bobbie Goulding 3, Stuart Spruce 2, Alan Hunte 2,
Daryl Powell 2, Anthony Sullivan, Andy Farrell, Keith Senior,
Mick Cassidy tries; Bobbie Goulding 10 goals) beat
Fiji 4 (Sam Marayawa try).
Half time: 30-0.
Crowd: 4000. Referee: Jim Stokes (New Zealand).
Great Britain: Stuart Spruce; Alan Hunte, Kris Radlinski, Daryl Powell,
Anthony Sullivan; Iestyn Harris, Bobbie Goulding; Paul Broadbent,
Keiron Cunningham, Brian McDermott, Denis Betts, Paul Sculthorpe,
Andy Farrell (c); Keith Senior, Tony Smith, Steve Molloy,
Mick Cassidy.
Fiji: Sovatabua; Baravilala, Manoa Thompson, Joe Tamani, Tuleuv;
Ratudina, Naisoro; Kubuwai (c), Kaidrokia, Yasa, Sagaitu,
J Dakuitoga, Livai Nalagilagi; V Dakuitoga, Vatubua, Sam Marayawa,
Waindroa. Coach: Etuate Waga.
Sinbin: Denis Betts (Great Britain).
Sinbin: Livai Nalagilagi (Fiji).
Sent off: Malaki Yasa (Fiji).
Record: Test--Individual--Most points scored,
Bobbie Goulding (32--3 tries; 10 goals).
Record: Test--Individual--Most goals scored,
Bobbie Goulding (10) (equalled previous best).
Record: Test--Great Britain--Largest margin of victory, 68.
Record: Test--Great Britain--Most points scored,
72 (13 tries; 10 goals).



Tour Match, Thursday 10th October 1996
at Carlaw Park Auckland.

Lion Red Cup XIII 22 (Gus Malietoa-Brown, Tukere Barlow,
Jonathan Hughes tries; Ben Lythe 5 goals) drew with
Great Britain 22 (Stuart Spruce, Daryl Powell, Anthony Sullivan,
Keiron Cunningham tries; Iestyn Harris 3 goals).
Crowd: 3000. Referee: G Wallace.
Lion Red Cup XIII: Tama Hohaia; Marlon Gardiner, Boycie Nelson,
Gus Malietoa-Brown, Richard Stewart; David Bailey, Ben Lythe;
Donald Stewart, Tukere Barlow (c), Leamy Tato, Anthony Edwards,
Gareth Adams, Jonathan Hughes; Corrie Jamieson,
Cheaf Lee Fakavamoeanga, Vilai Kelemete, Vai Afa.
Coach: Graeme Norton.
Great Britain: Stuart Spruce; Alan Hunte, Kris Radlinski,
Daryl Powell, Anthony Sullivan; Iestyn Harris, Bobbie Goulding;
Paul Broadbent, Keiron Cunningham, Brian McDermott, Denis Betts,
Paul Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell (c); Tulsen Tollett, Adrian Morley,
Mick Cassidy, Steve Molloy.


Tour Match, Tuesday 15th October 1996
at Fraser Park Lower Hutt Wellington.

New Zealand Select XIII 30 (Endacott 2, Tea Ropati, A Swann, Whetu Taewa,
Hitro Okesene tries; Murray 2, Whittaker 1 from 5 goals) beat
Great Britain 22 (Hayes, Barrie-Jon Mather, Smith, Hammond tries;
Prescott 3 goals).
Half time: 14-10.
Crowd: 1500. Referee: Denis Hale (New Zealand).
New Zealand Select XIII: David Murray, Iva Ropati, Anthony Swann,
Whetu Taewa, Richard Stewart; Shane Endacott, Aaron Whittaker (c);
Brady Malam, Denvour Johnson, Hitro Okesene, Tony Tatupu,
Bryan Henare, Logan Swann; Meti Noovao, Mark Faumuina, Jerry Seuseu,
Darryn Avery. Coach: Gary Kemble.
Great Britain: Steve Prescott; Joey Hayes, Barrie-Jon Mather,
Keith Senior, Jason Critchley; Tulsen Tollett, Tony Smith;
Neil Harmon, James Lowes (c), Terry O'Connor, David Bradbury,
Chris Joynt, Karl Hammond; Jonathan Roper, Rowland Phillips,
Bernard Dwyer, Mick Cassidy.


Test, Friday 18th October 1996
at Ericsson Stadium Auckland.

New Zealand 17 (Jason Timu 2 tries; Matthew Ridge 4 goals;
Matthew Ridge field goal) beat
Great Britain 12 (Alan Hunte, Denis Betts tries;
Bobbie Goulding 2 goals).
Half time: 2-10. Scrums: 10-8, Penalties: 6-4.
Crowd: 9,000. Referee: Bill Harrigan (Australia).
New Zealand: Matthew Ridge (c); Sean Hoppe, Richard Blackmore,
Jason Timu, Richard Barnett; Gene Ngamu, Stacey Jones; Young,
Syd Eru, Quentin Pongia, Tony Iro, Stephen Kearney, Smith;
Wayne Ellis, Vagana, Ruben Wiki, Swann. Coach: Frank Endacott.
Great Britain: Stuart Spruce; Alan Hunte, Kris Radlinski,
Daryl Powell, Anthony Sullivan; Iestyn Harris, Bobbie Goulding;
Paul Broadbent, Keiron Cunningham, Terry O'Connor, Denis Betts,
Paul Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell (c); Tony Smith, Keith Senior,
Chris Joynt, Adrian Morley.
Sinbin: Adrian Morley (Great Britain).
Man of the match: John Timu.


Tour Match, Tuesday 22nd October 1996
at Lowe Walker Stadium Whangarei.

New Zealand Maoris 40 (David Murray 2, Jamie Stevens, Tawera Nikau,
Neville Ramsay, Marton Gardiner, Jason Walker tries;
Paul Howell 6 goals) beat
Great Britain 28 (Bernard Dwyer, Tony Smith, Nathan McAvoy,
Steve Prescott, James Lowes tries; Steve Prescott 4 goals).
Half time: 20-18.
New Zealand: David Murray; John Farrar, Ricky Henry, Whetu Taewa,
Jason Walker; Jamie Stevens, Paul Howell; Paul Rauhihi,
Tukere Barlow, Gavin Hill, David Pearce, Matthew Sturm,
Tawera Nikau (c); Neville Ramsay, Marlon Gardiner, George Milner,
Sonny Wharakau. Coach: Cameron Bell.


Test, Friday 25th October 1996
at Manawatu Showgrounds Palmerston North.

New Zealand 18 (Ruben Wiki 2, gene Ngamu tries;
Matthew Ridge 3 goals) beat
Great Britain 15 (Alan Hunte, Denis Betts tries;
Bobbie Goulding 3 goals; Bobbie Goulding field goal).
Half time: 8-13. Scrums: 7-6. Penalties: 7-7.
Crowd: 8,000. Referee: Graeme Annesley (Australia).
New Zealand: Matthew Ridge (c); Sean Hoppe, John Timu,
Richard Blackmore, Richard Barnett; Gene Ngamu, Stacey Jones;
Grant Young, Syd Eru, Quentin Pongia, Tony Iro, Stephen Kearney,
Tyran Smith; Joe Vagana, Anthony Swann, Ruben Wiki, Marc Ellis.
Coach: Frank Endacott.
Great Britain: Stuart Spruce; Alan Hunte, Kris Radlinski,
Daryl Powell, Anthony Sullivan; Iestyn Harris, Bobbie Goulding;
Paul Broadbent, Keiron Cunningham, Terry O'Connor, Denis Betts,
Paul Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell (c); Karl Hammond, Barrie-Jon Mather,
Steve Molloy, Chris Joynt.
Man of the match: Stacey Jones.


Test, Friday 1st November 1996
at Lancaster Park Christchurch.

New Zealand 32 (Sean Hoppe 2, Marc Ellis, Ruben Wiki, Gene Ngamu,
Matthew Ridge tries; Matthew Ridge 4 goals) beat
Great Britain 12 (Denis Betts, Adrian Morley tries;
Bobbie Goulding 2 goals).
Half time: 20-6. Scrums: 6-2. Penalties: 5-8.
Crowd: 9000. Referee: Stephen Clark (Australia).
New Zealand: Matthew Ridge (c); Sean Hoppe, Ruben Wiki, John Timu,
Marc Ellis; Gene Ngamu, Stacey Jones; Grant Young, Syd Eru,
Quentin Pongia, Tony Iro, Stephen Kearney, Tyran Smith;
Anthony Swann, Joe Vagana, Richard Blackmore, Logan Swann.
Coach: Frank Endacott.
Great Britain: Stuart Spruce; Alan Hunte, Kris Radlinski,
Daryl Powell, Barrie-Jon Mather; Karl Hammond, Bobbie Goulding;
Paul Broadbent, Keiron Cunningham, Terry O'Connor, Denis Betts,
Paul Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell (c); Iestyn Harris, Steve Molloy,
Chris Joynt, Bernard Dwyer.
Man of the match: Matthew Ridge.

Div
25th October 2007, 14:44
A tour match isnt an official test, usually they are against President select side etc, Test matches are the Full Honours MAtches we play v NZ or Australia or France etc....




Sorry , what I meant was he played for GB whether test or tour match seems irrelevant.

Sadfish
25th October 2007, 14:46
Sorry , what I meant was he played for GB whether test or tour match seems irrelevant.

ok, no worries, offically I'm not sure but I think Fasa will be the first proper non-brit to play for GB in a test?

There must be others surely....

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
25th October 2007, 14:50
ok, no worries, offically I'm not sure but I think Fasa will be the first proper non-brit to play for GB in a test?

There must be others surely....

there must have been at least 1 gb international from the past who wasnt born in GB

Sadfish
25th October 2007, 15:16
there must have been at least 1 gb international from the past who wasnt born in GB

you would ike to think so, but I can't put my finger on it.

little_frank
25th October 2007, 15:35
Cricket has had loads!

Pietersen for one, then stepping back in time, Allan Lamb, Robin smith, Graham Hick, Alan Mullally, Andrew Caddick! The list goes on!

You're not wrong. As well as Pietersen, very recent England internationals who were born overseas include Jamie Dalrymple (Kenya), Ed Joyce (Ireland), Matt Prior (South Africa), Owais Shah (Pakistan), Andrew Strauss (South Africa), Jonathan Trott (South Africa)

R P McMurphy
25th October 2007, 16:06
there must have been at least 1 gb international from the past who wasnt born in GB


Its the old chestnut again:

You can be born abroad and still be British due to parentage ( i.e Ruedeski, Terry Butcher)

You can be be born in Britain or another country and still not be eligible to represent them i.e John Mcenroe was born in Germany as his father was in the US military. Germany do not recognise birth as a right to nationality consequently if he had wanted to represent them he wouldn't have been able to.

Cedarman
25th October 2007, 18:12
Brian Carney:???:


Couldn't we just call it

The Great Britain & Samoan Lions lol

jill
25th October 2007, 18:14
Henry Paul played for england rugby union.... when he has only ever played for New Zealand in Rugby League!!

Syd
25th October 2007, 18:24
First and only GB RL non brit. Again, saints are ground breakers.

Sausalito
25th October 2007, 19:25
As we are talking about Fas now representing GB can you think of any other sporting people who now represent us in any sport.... I can think of Lennox Lewis ( canadian ), Rudsedski ( canadian ) and im sure there are plenty of others:confused:
Lennox was born and bred in West ham until he was nearly 13 yrs old. Moved to Canada for 11yrs, before returning home.

Sausalito
25th October 2007, 19:33
Henry Paul played for england rugby union.... when he has only ever played for New Zealand in Rugby League!!

But his grandad was a scouser. That's the loophole which a lot of sportsmen use.

Sausalito
25th October 2007, 19:43
there must have been at least 1 gb international from the past who wasnt born in GB

Phil Jackson from Barrow one of the greatest centres to play the game. was born in Canada.

Tallahassee
25th October 2007, 21:56
didnt Michael Withers get picked for GB?,dont think he ever played.

RedVee Admin
26th October 2007, 00:41
there must have been at least 1 gb international from the past who wasnt born in GB
Tom McKinney
Brian Carney

There's two for you.

Noah Sleeroader
26th October 2007, 02:01
Phil Jackson from Barrow one of the greatest centres to play the game. was born in Canada.

blob on there bud & as for tulsen tollett, wasn't he english born ?

Noah Sleeroader
26th October 2007, 02:12
robin thompson, was captain & irish but not sure if he was republic or not. anyone know ?

ticker
26th October 2007, 03:37
the england cricket team apart from about 4 players. amir khan.the back four of the england football team.joyce mudwaika in fact 90percent of our athletics team.paul sackey.As someone adhered to the list is endless.George aligiah,mathew amrullywallah and nena narnarnanarna reporting for news at 10 london.

Chicago Saint
26th October 2007, 05:56
there must have been at least 1 gb international from the past who wasnt born in GB

Dave Barends (South African) is the only previous non Brit to play a test for GB I believe.

Irish Saint
26th October 2007, 06:22
Dave Barends (South African) is the only previous non Brit to play a test for GB I believe.

As mentioned a couple of times before.......

Brian Carney is not British....He is from the republic of Ireland.... Which is not England.....Great Britain...or even the United Kingdom!!

However, I do believe that we now call the team GB and Ireland, so that is ok ;) ;) ;)

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
26th October 2007, 10:23
Tom McKinney
Brian Carney

There's two for you.


true...but Brian Carney played for a team called "GB and Ireland"

Scouse Don
26th October 2007, 10:47
The whole system is a joke..have you seen the squads for the scottish and Irish RL teams....you only have to go on a stag weekend somewhere to qualify !!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Sadfish
26th October 2007, 10:56
The whole system is a joke..have you seen the squads for the scottish and Irish RL teams....you only have to go on a stag weekend somewhere to qualify !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I don't think its rubbish, tell me what rule you think will be right for us?

Only allowed to play for GB if you where born here? Some people may have been born here but moved away in the first month after birth, does that make them more british than someone who was born elsewhere but moved here when they were 1 month old and lived here for 20 years?

IMO at 18 or whenever you first play Rugby League you should declare your allegiance, thats the only realistic way of doing it.

The Aussies dont see any problem using folks from other countrise, so why should we? If someone has the will to play for GB and deserves to play at that level then they should imo play for GB.

geordie saint
26th October 2007, 12:35
I don't think its rubbish, tell me what rule you think will be right for us?

Only allowed to play for GB if you where born here? Some people may have been born here but moved away in the first month after birth, does that make them more british than someone who was born elsewhere but moved here when they were 1 month old and lived here for 20 years?

IMO at 18 or whenever you first play Rugby League you should declare your allegiance, thats the only realistic way of doing it.

The Aussies dont see any problem using folks from other countrise, so why should we? If someone has the will to play for GB and deserves to play at that level then they should imo play for GB.

maybe they need to move this 5 year residency to a 10 year or something

Sadfish
26th October 2007, 13:02
for what reason?

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
26th October 2007, 13:05
maybe they need to move this 5 year residency to a 10 year or something

why should GB RL be the only team in world sport to take this kind of moral high ground?

the rules are there, everyone knows what they are....we are competing against teams who utilise the rules to thier benefit - we need to do things to raise ourselves to thier level, why hold ourselves back?

Sadfish
26th October 2007, 13:06
how do you define how british someone is or how long before they become british?

I dont think you can, we should just let the plaeyrs choose their allegance and thats it for their career.

Scouse Don
26th October 2007, 13:40
The point I was trying to make is that the rules are a joke.If I went to OZ and in 4 years time said I wanted to play for Oz against GB and could..what a load of crap.
The rules should be simple ..country of birth or immediate parent.
That would solve all sorts of issues.Otherwise just play within the rules.
If the rules were that strict I don't think the Aussies would be half as good either at RL or RU.
So if the rules (rubbish or not ) allow it then why should'nt Fasa play for us..good luck to him.
Still think that it should be strict..I blame Jack Charlton with his Irish international soccer team with barely an Irish born player in it !!

RedVee Admin
26th October 2007, 13:57
true...but Brian Carney played for a team called "GB and Ireland"
The question was GB Internationals BORN outside of Great Britain.

Both of my nominees were. Just because they tampered with the team name, it does not change the fact that they were not born in GB.

Besides which and this was always my argument at the time: it's not the GB & Ireland Lions just because Carney played for them. It's GB, end of. Proven by the fact they pray homage to that jumped up anthem requesting a mythical lord to protect a German descendant.

Which kinda answers the original question posed in this thread. I couldn't give a crap about GB or England; I'll be off to Dewsbury on Friday November the 2nd to watch Ireland and sing The Soldiers Song.

Div
26th October 2007, 14:01
I think we are kidding ourselves fielding either an Irish or Scottish team. lets face it there are little grass roots at amateur level in those countries and no prospect of a professional set up there. I accept the game is played there to a degree but not at a standard or by enough people to consider true international status.


Fact is that those teams are usually made up by professionals with tenious links to those countries who probably fancy a jolly or are not god enough to be selected for a proper international team. e.g. Anthony Stewart.

CHANNEL22
26th October 2007, 14:19
Again, stepping back in time. Zola Budd. What a stir she caused.

Div
26th October 2007, 14:28
Again, stepping back in time. Zola Budd. What a stir she caused.



Its a long way to trip a Mary.

geordie saint
26th October 2007, 14:33
why should GB RL be the only team in world sport to take this kind of moral high ground?

the rules are there, everyone knows what they are....we are competing against teams who utilise the rules to thier benefit - we need to do things to raise ourselves to thier level, why hold ourselves back?

this should be all sports. I know it wouldnt happen, but if james roby did go to australia, and stayed 5 years, he could then play for australia. the system is wrong, and 5 years isnt enough time to give you the rights to switch countries imo.

Fred Lindops Brylcream
26th October 2007, 14:53
Bobby Fulton played for and coached Australia he was born in warrington.

CHANNEL22
26th October 2007, 14:54
Its a long way to trip a Mary.:D :D

But I think you are showing your age there

Sausalito
26th October 2007, 19:45
true...but Brian Carney played for a team called "GB and Ireland"
The funny part was they changed back to just Gt Britain when Carney played:???:

Sausalito
26th October 2007, 20:07
robin thompson, was captain & irish but not sure if he was republic or not. anyone know ?

He was born in Northern Ireland, which as we know, is part of the United Kingdom, hardly played for Warrington due to a bad injury. Was finished at 25yrs.

parrsaint
27th October 2007, 14:47
Bobby Fulton played for and coached Australia he was born in warrington.

Quite correct. A few modern day aussie rep players were also born in New Zealand (Willie Mason , Karmichael Hunt and Tonie Carroll.)

Tallahassee
28th October 2007, 19:04
I think they called them GB and Ireland because the Rugby Union team was called that.

CHANNEL22
28th October 2007, 23:44
Its a bit like the Ryder Cup team in golf. We started as GB, then GB and Ireland, now it is Europe.