PDA

View Full Version : Stadium Watch 10



Pages : [1] 2 3 4 5

Paul Newlove
17th March 2012, 14:21
It was bloody drafty sat at the back of section A of the north stand against Hull,hope it does get sorted eventually

Albion
18th March 2012, 13:38
Or, put simply, it is a low priority issue for the club who have other more important areas to spend their money on.

Definitely.

stoneislander
18th March 2012, 17:10
sod the cladding lets get a pacy fullback, a decent winger, a strike centre , a stand off wont go amiss, two props and a coach who knows what hes doing ......then lets worry about a few pieces of alluminium and a few bolts

Lex
18th March 2012, 17:12
sod the cladding lets get a pacy fullback, a decent winger, a strike centre , a stand off wont go amiss, two props and a coach who knows what hes doing ......then lets worry about a few pieces of alluminium and a few bolts

All the things you ask for including the alumminium will not happen for a long time.

doghead
23rd March 2012, 11:28
tops gone off the gas holder.

Two Wheeled Saint
23rd March 2012, 14:55
No pic's for a long while...

100% Saint
23rd March 2012, 15:11
tops gone off the gas holder.

I went past before, i decided to take a pic of it lol

Windle Lad
23rd March 2012, 15:48
tops gone off the gas holder.

Are they recycling it for the cladding?!

doghead
23rd March 2012, 15:59
there's a crane up there now, its taller than the holder, how the driver can see that far beats me.

Dynamite Don Brennan
23rd March 2012, 16:23
Are they recycling it for the cladding?!

:grin:

Sausalito
23rd March 2012, 18:10
there's a crane up there now, its taller than the holder, how the driver can see that far beats me.

He's wearing bifocals. ;)

Windle Lad
27th March 2012, 22:01
Any more work been done on the gas holder?

St. Christopher
28th March 2012, 09:16
Any pics from Sunday? The Stadium was looking fantastic with the sun setting...

Saints-Crusaders
28th March 2012, 10:59
Any pics from Sunday? The Stadium was looking fantastic with the sun setting...


Pics of what exactly ??? I've got pics of inside and outside the stadium from sunday

RonSaintWiggin
28th March 2012, 11:15
I must give a big rap to the stewards in the north stand trying to police the gents,please fans, go in the in and out of the out it makes things run a lot smoother, (no pun intended) and you are in and out quicker,just a thought.COYS

clsaint31a
28th March 2012, 11:32
Any pics from Sunday? The Stadium was looking fantastic with the sun setting...

http://img.tapatalk.com/b26050ae-e848-9f87.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/b26050ae-e85a-7d76.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/b26050ae-e873-0ccc.jpg

just a few I took myself. Through ground is best in rugby league.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

Spider Ski
28th March 2012, 12:02
I must give a big rap to the stewards in the north stand trying to police the gents,please fans, go in the in and out of the out it makes things run a lot smoother, (no pun intended) and you are in and out quicker,just a thought.COYS

I refuse to be bound by social convention.

100% Saint
28th March 2012, 12:05
Only took two on the day:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/suppasaint/DSC00062-1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/suppasaint/DSC00061-1.jpg

RonSaintWiggin
28th March 2012, 12:14
I refuse to be bound by social convention.

In that case SKI I will refuse to talk to you next time I see you in the Rendevous,

Gruntfuttock
28th March 2012, 19:33
I took a few , I said to Mrs G and Wirral Saint "Look at the stadium isnt it nice?" and they did !!!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i340/neilevans57/lookatthestadium.jpg

this is what I was looking forward to , a nice sunny day fans relaxing on the grass before the game
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i340/neilevans57/relaxingonthegrass.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i340/neilevans57/beautifulevening.jpg

and a couple inside i didnt take any during the game it was too exciting
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i340/neilevans57/Langtreepark1-1.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i340/neilevans57/Langtreepark2-1.jpg

on the Leeds fans forum they have a thread on Langtree Park and one said " I had a perfect view of the tries , worst luck" but apart from the result they enjoyed their visit

Saints-Crusaders
28th March 2012, 19:59
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/19f82f0b.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/cdb0ff0f.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/79d9084f.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/8acaae19.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/6dd4bf87.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/1cecf0f9.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/096213c6.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/5c6d4954.jpg

Saints-Crusaders
28th March 2012, 20:06
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/3931a7c5.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/a63f3544.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/d2f70eed.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/e11eb866.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/d0ef6b72.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/2e799572.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints%20v%20Leeds/343874c9.jpg

Gruntfuttock
28th March 2012, 21:00
classy pictures as always mate

Windle Lad
3rd April 2012, 17:37
Anything else happened with the gas holder yet - not been past for a few weeks

RedVee Admin
3rd April 2012, 18:10
It's like a Nuremberg Rally gone wrong...

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints v Leeds/d2f70eed.jpg

djgazza
3rd April 2012, 20:38
On leaving work at 730pm, the wind had changed to an Easterly and it was bitter cold. There was a small gritter gritting the pavements at the East end of the site and down Peasley Cross Lane towards the bridge

100% referee!
4th April 2012, 21:32
On leaving work at 730pm, the wind had changed to an Easterly and it was bitter cold. There was a small gritter gritting the pavements at the East end of the site and down Peasley Cross Lane towards the bridge

hope the cold doesnt call the match off we have to win this one no matter what!!!! COYS!!!!

oldun
4th April 2012, 21:46
hope the cold doesnt call the match off we have to win this one no matter what!!!! COYS!!!!

Hope the wind hasn't pulled the roof off either

Gruntfuttock
5th April 2012, 15:46
Roof looked fine this morning

djgazza
6th April 2012, 02:11
What a nice day it was yesterday. It was like bloody winter at the back of the North Stand

Saint Ged
7th April 2012, 15:02
The wigan supporters liked our stadium so much they didn,t want to leave.

fredrick
8th April 2012, 21:47
The wigan supporters liked our stadium so much they didn,t want to leave.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/Jimbo70/xbhjp.jpg

oldun
8th April 2012, 22:14
So you like our new bridge also

E Saint
8th April 2012, 22:48
Seems a bit ironic that the FIOS flag is in the shadow of the Saints Way Bridge :D

fishy3005
8th April 2012, 22:56
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/Jimbo70/xbhjp.jpg

i have never wanted more in my life for a bridge to explode. i can't express just how much i hate wigan rugby. seriousley, the sight of a few cherry n white hooped jerseys makes me feel nautious!

Gruntfuttock
9th April 2012, 07:21
Awww Bless , dont be angry lads, they dont have a bridge of their own leading to a Stadium that they own, so they cant do that in Pieland, we should pity the fools as a great man once said :)

Saint Ged
9th April 2012, 09:26
It,s a shame for them.

Village Saint
9th April 2012, 21:47
Glad to see that the Wigan fans are so happy for us now that we have a new stadium and the foundations of a great business, everyone seems to love to Langtree Park and seems to wish that their clubs could be associated with something as good as LP :)

Please feel free to come watch Saints vs Widnes in 2 weeks time Bridge-antes (or what ever your nan sewed onto your balaclavas). You'll get to see the bridge lit up and everything :)

Donkey Commoner
9th April 2012, 22:11
Seems a bit ironic that the FIOS flag is in the shadow of the Saints Way Bridge :D

Forever in other's stadium!

SaintJ
9th April 2012, 22:42
Forever in other's stadium!
I like that - a lot!!!:d

Albion
9th April 2012, 22:55
Forever in other's stadium!

Excellent!

Mugwump
13th April 2012, 15:22
It was bloody drafty sat at the back of section A of the north stand against Hull,hope it does get sorted eventually


Sorry to drag it up again, but any chance of getting something at least started before the 16 June when the rest of the RL world descend on the ground?

RedVee Admin
13th April 2012, 16:18
Wouldn't that look worse? The rest of the RL world descending upon a building site?

doghead
13th April 2012, 19:31
It was bloody drafty sat at the back of section A of the north stand against Hull,hope it does get sorted eventually

Ideal spot to errect a couple of them wind turbines, bring a bit of dosh in.

Sausalito
13th April 2012, 22:03
Sorry to drag it up again, but any chance of getting something at least started before the 16 June when the rest of the RL world descend on the ground?

you'll be thankful of the breeze on a hot balmy summers night :smile:

doghead
13th April 2012, 22:09
you'll be thankful of the breeze on a hot balmy summers night :smile:

we might not be playing that day.

gaz217
14th April 2012, 10:51
Doubt we will see anything until this season has finished. Whilst it does need doing its not exactly an urgent necessity. I would rather the work to wait till the end of the season anyway it will give us something to moan about for a couple of months.

Lex
14th April 2012, 14:56
Doubt we will see anything until this season has finished. Whilst it does need doing its not exactly an urgent necessity. I would rather the work to wait till the end of the season anyway it will give us something to moan about for a couple of months.

More people need to speak to the employees at the stadium. Unless something unbelievable happens, like an Arab investment, the stadium is finished, pigeon sh1t on the Founders Bar windows and supports included!!!!

Dynamite Don Brennan
14th April 2012, 21:55
More people need to speak to the employees at the stadium. Unless something unbelievable happens, like an Arab investment, the stadium is finished, pigeon sh1t on the Founders Bar windows and supports included!!!!

So feckin wot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wardies love child
14th April 2012, 22:02
Aye, I think the stadium is complete and no more Cxxxxxxg will be done. Either way the place is classy and I'm a happy supporter. Need to concentrate on the team once more.

SElliott
14th April 2012, 22:21
how can you say that looking at the stadium from the outside :/

100% referee!
15th April 2012, 02:05
how can you say that looking at the stadium from the outside :/agreed!

The Surveyor
15th April 2012, 20:54
It will be a crying shame of the stadium is left how it is. What about all those assurances we were getting from the club (Eamon included) that it would be done soon. He even said in time for the Wigan game, as I seem to recall.

Lygase
15th April 2012, 22:33
basically Saints have lied to our faces which is slightly annoying, more so the fact that cladding is not fitted by now... ah well, we're only minions lol

The Surveyor
16th April 2012, 01:07
basically Saints have lied to our faces which is slightly annoying, more so the fact that cladding is not fitted by now... ah well, we're only minions lol

The distraction caused by the coaching debacle has enabled Saints to bury this subject for the time being. Well it's time to resurrect it ! Stadium Watch 9 lives on!

saintollie
16th April 2012, 10:50
lastest moan from one of the DW tenants, a letter in RLE says 'who in their right mind allowed a stadium to be built where the nearest coach park is over a mile from the stadium?'
she goes one to say that many Wigan fans 'were left gasping for air'

am I right in thinking the coaches are parked off Sherdley Road, less than half a mile away?

Talk some sense!
16th April 2012, 10:55
lastest moan from one of the DW tenants, a letter in RLE says 'who in their right mind allowed a stadium to be built where the nearest coach park is over a mile from the stadium?'
she goes one to say that many Wigan fans 'were left gasping for air'

am I right in thinking the coaches are parked off Sherdley Road, less than half a mile away?

About a 6th of a mile away I think.

Gasping for air!?

Houghwood Saint
16th April 2012, 11:08
lastest moan from one of the DW tenants, a letter in RLE says 'who in their right mind allowed a stadium to be built where the nearest coach park is over a mile from the stadium?'
she goes one to say that many Wigan fans 'were left gasping for air'

am I right in thinking the coaches are parked off Sherdley Road, less than half a mile away?

I read an article by the rugby league writer in the Wigan Evening Post last wednesday saying that he was distinctly underwhelmed by our new stadium and that it wasnt as good as other top stadiums in super league including 'theirs'.He would say that though wouldnt he?

Sausalito
16th April 2012, 11:13
The main moan from wigan was the distance the handicapped had to walk.

Talk some sense!
16th April 2012, 11:16
The main moan from wigan was the distance the handicapped had to walk.

There's disabled parking isn't there, the only parking at the ground I believe is for players and disabled bays.

saintollie
16th April 2012, 11:38
I read an article by the rugby league writer in the Wigan Evening Post last wednesday saying that he was distinctly underwhelmed by our new stadium and that it wasnt as good as other top stadiums in super league including 'theirs'.He would say that though wouldnt he?

the bitter attitude of tenants :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

saintollie
16th April 2012, 11:39
There's disabled parking isn't there, the only parking at the ground I believe is for players and disabled bays.

quite a few pies had disabled parking bays for the game!

CHANNEL22
16th April 2012, 12:12
I read an article by the rugby league writer in the Wigan Evening Post last wednesday saying that he was distinctly underwhelmed by our new stadium and that it wasnt as good as other top stadiums in super league including 'theirs'.He would say that though wouldnt he?

"Theirs" is a football stadium that they rent, so not a Super League stadium.

Its a bit like me renting a Porsche and saying "my car" is better than the top of the range Mercedes that you own.

Village Saint
16th April 2012, 12:31
Being from Wigan doesn't make you "handicapped" ;)
Bit of exercise will do them good if they're "gasping for air" after that walk and if they have parked a stupid distance away then that's their fault, idiots!!

ploughman
16th April 2012, 12:32
I wouldn't think our coach park is any further from the ground than the one at Wigan Athletics ground.They're just jealous

fishy3005
16th April 2012, 12:45
I read an article by the rugby league writer in the Wigan Evening Post last wednesday saying that he was distinctly underwhelmed by our new stadium and that it wasnt as good as other top stadiums in super league including 'theirs'.He would say that though wouldnt he?

cheeky ba****ds

Saint in pie land
16th April 2012, 17:31
lastest moan from one of the DW tenants, a letter in RLE says 'who in their right mind allowed a stadium to be built where the nearest coach park is over a mile from the stadium?'
she goes one to say that many Wigan fans 'were left gasping for air'

am I right in thinking the coaches are parked off Sherdley Road, less than half a mile away?


That's because of all the pies they eat.......just a thought if we had laid a trial of pies from the coach park to ground would they have been gasping for air then !. At least they didnt have to walk across a parking area that added height to your shoes when raining

getouttahere
16th April 2012, 19:13
I think we should all start referring to the pies ground as Wigan Athletics Stadium from here on in.

Kitty
16th April 2012, 19:17
At least they don't have to pay £5 to park on a load of cinders at our ground

wardies love child
16th April 2012, 21:25
FIRA

forever in rented accommodation

RonSaintWiggin
17th April 2012, 13:39
FIRA

forever in rented accommodation

lol:&

forward ref
17th April 2012, 13:58
Treat the Wiganers well or they might turn on you...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130606/Video-yobs-rampaging-McDonalds-Wigan-Greater-Manchester.html?ICO=most_read_module

fishy3005
17th April 2012, 14:07
can't blame wiganers for being bitter about langtree park.
imagine dragging a homeless bum round hugh hefners pad for a couple of hours, rubbing his nose in it that its everything he hasn't got, and then CHARGING him £20 for the experience

DD
17th April 2012, 14:35
basically Saints have lied to our faces which is slightly annoying, more so the fact that cladding is not fitted by now... ah well, we're only minions lol

I don't think anyone seriously believed it was going to happen. It's the usual story when someone kicks up a fuss. They get fobbed off with information that will make them happy hoping they will go away.

After the Wigan game I would be happier if they clad the inside of the terraces up to roof level on the three exposed stands if that was all the money they had, on the basis they can only clad the outside to just over half way anyway. It was actually like watching a game at Wakefield or Batley with all the atmosphere escaping outside the back of the stand but more importantly the game being exposed to all the elements that new stadiums tend to eradicate; i.e. a slight breeze being whipped up into a gale because of the exposed nature of the construction.

I'll always maintain it was a rotten design and the woman who said that Wigan's ground was far better was right. My opinion is that Warrington's is better too.

Albion
17th April 2012, 14:50
The main flaw of the design personally is the atmosphere which just escapes too easily - it just doesn't stay within the stadium.

I quite like this idea:


I would be happier if they clad the inside of the terraces up to roof level on the three exposed stands

On a playing perspective: the wind that swirls round is ridiculous really and Jamie Foster (if that's his name, can barely remember him) said it was up there for one of the most difficult stadiums, along with Hull KR, to kick a conversion.

Saint Ged
17th April 2012, 15:02
I said very early on that from Peasley Cross Lane it looks like a steel stockholders yard or similar, and i realise how much better it is than what we had, i also said that i would not be surprised if someone climbed up that short piece of sheeting behind the ends of the place and fell over and i still think it could happen.

Village Saint
17th April 2012, 15:08
I feel a Bradford Bulls-esque £1M of fans donations to get our stadium clad :)
Seriously though, the stadium is unfinished and we all know it. I'm hoping for next season something might get done but this season ive given up on seeing even a spanner lifted!

Saint Ged
17th April 2012, 15:14
The thing is though "IF" someone climbs up and falls over, which i hope does not happen, could Saints say it was unforseen.?

fishy3005
17th April 2012, 15:20
I feel a Bradford Bulls-esque £1M of fans donations to get our stadium clad :)


or we could all get some t-shirts printed up!! less "free diedre barlow" more "where the ****s our cladding?" ;)

RonSaintWiggin
17th April 2012, 15:38
or we could all get some t-shirts printed up!! less "free diedre barlow" more "where the ****s our cladding?" ;)

Well said fishy I like it:rolleyes:

hazzo21
17th April 2012, 17:35
or we could all get some t-shirts printed up!! less "free diedre barlow" more "where the ****s our cladding?" ;)

was it not Deidre Rachid??!? ;-)

Saint Rigby
17th April 2012, 19:19
I think we should all start referring to the pies ground as Wigan Athletics Stadium from here on in.

I think it should be made law on Redvee haha ..... It seems for some reason Wigan Athletic and Wigan RL fans hate each other, I have not found a fan yet that supports both teams!! Hope the Latics stay up :D

Village Saint
17th April 2012, 19:55
or we could all get some t-shirts printed up!! less "free diedre barlow" more "where the ****s our cladding?" ;)

Haha love it!

Lex
17th April 2012, 20:05
Haha love it!

We should strike a deal with Whelan. A load of cheap latics tops for Saints fans to wear for our game at the DW. ( Said with tongue very much in cheek)

SElliott
18th April 2012, 13:49
im a saints fan and also a latics fan and id be happy with this :P haha

saintlysid
7th May 2012, 21:07
I agree entirely. it hurts to admit it but warringtons ground is warmer and generates a better atmosphere than langree park in its current form. It so incredibly dissapointing.
I don't think anyone seriously believed it was going to happen. It's the usual story when someone kicks up a fuss. They get fobbed off with information that will make them happy hoping they will go away.

After the Wigan game I would be happier if they clad the inside of the terraces up to roof level on the three exposed stands if that was all the money they had, on the basis they can only clad the outside to just over half way anyway. It was actually like watching a game at Wakefield or Batley with all the atmosphere escaping outside the back of the stand but more importantly the game being exposed to all the elements that new stadiums tend to eradicate; i.e. a slight breeze being whipped up into a gale because of the exposed nature of the construction.

I'll always maintain it was a rotten design and the woman who said that Wigan's ground was far better was right. My opinion is that Warrington's is better too.

saint mac
7th May 2012, 21:26
I agree entirely. it hurts to admit it but warringtons ground is warmer and generates a better atmosphere than langree park in its current form. It so incredibly dissapointing.

I think incredibly dissapointing is a bit strong.I love the stadium.When it is fully C...... there will not be any problems.If this time next year It is still Un....... then I will be dissapointed.

Lex
7th May 2012, 21:30
I think incredibly dissapointing is a bit strong.I love the stadium.When it is fully C...... there will not be any problems.If this time next year It is still Un....... then I will be dissapointed.

Prepare to be disappointed.

saint mac
7th May 2012, 21:36
Prepare to be disappointed.

To be honest I am,but I will give them the time to put it right.

cement city saint
7th May 2012, 22:07
To be honest I am,but I will give them the time to put it right.

Its bloody cold at the back of the west stand even last friday brrrr

doghead
7th May 2012, 22:25
The thing is though "IF" someone climbs up and falls over, which i hope does not happen, could Saints say it was unforseen.?

the bloke that put it up said it was only 6ft 8ins high.

saint mac
7th May 2012, 22:47
It won't be fixed tomorrow.I sit on the half way line in the North Stand ,belive me I have never been as cold watching RL as I have been at Langtree Park.I have been watching Saints for over 50 years and have been on all 32 grounds ( as it used to be ) and I totally agree it is the coldest ground that I have been on.After saying that we have no choice but to give them time to put it right......If it is not put right we will loose a lot of the new found season ticket holders.How sad will that be.

Saintokell1974
8th May 2012, 21:25
It won't be fixed tomorrow.I sit on the half way line in the North Stand ,belive me I have never been as cold watching RL as I have been at Langtree Park.I have been watching Saints for over 50 years and have been on all 32 grounds ( as it used to be ) and I totally agree it is the coldest ground that I have been on.After saying that we have no choice but to give them time to put it right......If it is not put right we will loose a lot of the new found season ticket holders.How sad will that be.

I have at least 1 of me brother in law's that will get at least 1 extra season ticket next year, cladding or not. I will also be renewing, at least for 1 more year at a time, maybe even 5 years. the cladding being there or not will not change this. i will however buy less pints when I'm there as it will already be cold without making myself colder. My money for those pints, and I may add other members of my family, will be used in my local when I get back from the game as I always enjoy a pint but will not buy a hot drink there?
I don't think the club have factored in the lost revenue and the cost against the cost of the heating idea(couldn't use the 'c' word)

Greg
8th May 2012, 21:31
I'm disappointed that they were so quick to get a gate in place to restrict movement round the concourse. Now I'm thinking it's to prevent migration from the north stand to warmer areas.

Saint Ged
15th May 2012, 09:43
Well i have always said to older people who support other clubs, " when you go to a game at Langtree Park have a walk around inside the concourse and look at all the pictures and historys " and then Saints decided to stop what had been sold to us as a major feature ie bringing the past in with the present, now we can not walk around, i wonder at times how long it will be before some of the people who did the campaigning for the new stadium and i include myself in my own way same as thousands of others, may feel as if it is a case of we got what we wanted of you thank you very much but now it is ours.

Saint Ged
15th May 2012, 09:57
Obviously with that last bit what i mean is the big wigs at the place saying now we have got it "sod you " and they are showing that also by making us freeze our cods of becuase the place needs some SHEETING putting around it "see i did not say that other word.

grahamk
15th May 2012, 12:34
It won't be fixed tomorrow.I sit on the half way line in the North Stand ,belive me I have never been as cold watching RL as I have been at Langtree Park.I have been watching Saints for over 50 years and have been on all 32 grounds ( as it used to be ) and I totally agree it is the coldest ground that I have been on.After saying that we have no choice but to give them time to put it right......If it is not put right we will loose a lot of the new found season ticket holders.How sad will that be.

Spot on! although maybe Oldham in January (or any month for that matter) could be a bit colder? Unfortunately we are in the North Stand concrete fridge as well but will put in a transfer request to South stand for 2013/15 with our 5 year tickets bought on the verbal promise at time of purchase that quote "THE ENTIRE GROUND WILL BE ENCLOSED just like Hull" unquote. Sorry Saints but we 5 year season ticket holders were mis -informed in this respect. I seriously doubt if the current average attendance will maintain in 2013, and this has nothing to do with success or lack of on the field. Weather forecast for this summer is dire once again so prepare to be chilled to the bone all year.

grahamk
15th May 2012, 12:41
Obviously with that last bit what i mean is the big wigs at the place saying now we have got it "sod you " and they are showing that also by making us freeze our cods of becuase the place needs some SHEETING putting around it "see i did not say that other word.

I'd settle for bubble wrap. Are you in the N stand mate? coz if you are we could share hot water bottles at half time.

Saint Ged
15th May 2012, 18:47
That seems like a good idea though graham, i might think about having a move to the enclosed side as well.

Saint Ged
15th May 2012, 18:49
I am in the north stand C block and i have never been warm in there all season, i am tempted to say i was warmer at the old place KR .

forward ref
16th May 2012, 09:14
So, it seems a lot of people are seeking to move to the South stand... what's the betting the prices for south stand seats go up for the next season? Supply and demand and all that. Although I suppose that might be difficult with 5 year agreements.

Just a thought, but a quart won't go into a pint pot.

ploughman
16th May 2012, 12:55
Just a thought on the 5yr deal.If Saints have broken their part of the deal,ie Not finished off the stand,does that entitle 5 yr season ticket holders to the right not to renew?

KentishBarry
16th May 2012, 13:25
Just a thought on the 5yr deal.If Saints have broken their part of the deal,ie Not finished off the stand,does that entitle 5 yr season ticket holders to the right not to renew?

Doubt it.
It's probably like a train ticket that doesn't guarantee you a seat!

Lex
16th May 2012, 13:31
Doubt it.
It's probably like a train ticket that doesn't guarantee you a seat!

Yeah, but the train ticket guarantees you won't be sat outside the carriage !!

407701
16th May 2012, 13:36
Brilliant !!!

KentishBarry
16th May 2012, 16:39
Yeah, but the train ticket guarantees you won't be sat outside the carriage !!

You want to try Southeastern trains mate! ;)

Saint Ged
16th May 2012, 17:10
The north stand will look a bit pathetic when the TV camers are on a half empty stand.

slippery steve
16th May 2012, 18:54
Idea :?

The cladding around the outer perimeter will improve the aesthetic look and also protect people on the concourses, but at a substantial cost. I still think it should be done, however if its finances that are causing the delay, could we not clad up the short gaps at the back of the West Stand and North Stand so the small gap is enclosed for now. This would make a warmer environment to fans on the West Stand and North Stand and also greatly improve the atmosphere and acoustics.

Saint Ged
16th May 2012, 19:36
You are going to get in trouble for saying that word, the one that Saints are probably hoping will fade away.

wardies love child
16th May 2012, 19:55
You are going to get in trouble for saying that word, the one that Saints are probably hoping will fade away.

I'm sure he is sheeting himself oldun:)

grahamk
17th May 2012, 16:35
Just a thought on the 5yr deal.If Saints have broken their part of the deal,ie Not finished off the stand,does that entitle 5 yr season ticket holders to the right not to renew?

Trouble is ploughman we've already paid. Wonder if we can get a partial breach of contract reduction? probably as likely as shenton winning man of steel.

David
18th May 2012, 17:38
I haven't seen anyone mention this, apologies if they have.

At the 'Pie and Peas' afternoon at Langtree Park last Saturday for the Wigan game, host Tommy Martyn was answering questions at the end from the fans there. Then, without the question being asked, he said something along the lines of 'Can I talk about the c word', and sounded very peeved about it (whether he'd been hassled by people about it during the day I don't know). He said he'd spoken to the Stadium Manager that week, and that there was no chance of it happening any time soon. He said the roof would need completely restructuring, and it would cost (he said) millions. In a half-serious voice he asked people to stop mentioning it 'on those forums you go on'.

While I appreciated him telling us, I did wonder - why should it fall to an ex-player, now hospitality manager at the club, to tell fans what is happening with the stadium, an issue lots of fans obviously care a great deal about? The obvious answer is that it shouldn't.

It's precisely the lack of communication and clarification from the powers up high at the club which is causing the issue to fester. I was embarrassed for Tommy. Eamonn - speak to us!!

Rob_SaintsFan07
18th May 2012, 18:54
This has gone on for too long this.

I have sat reading on this forum eagerly watching Stadium Watch when I lived back in Aus. I have looked at most of the documentation for day one watching this stadium grown from application to today in its 'uncompleted form'. The thing is...it is complete

That’s it, not much can be done to change it. And I think a lot of people on here need to realise this.
Even if, and its a big if that they will even bother now, they install this cheese grater style cladding it will do absolutely nothing to stop this wind and rain or retain any bit of atmosphere created within the ground.

The club bought into an idea. The ‘halo’ roof. In my opinion I think it looks great when I've had the chance to sit in the South stand this year but as I actually hold a West terrace ticket I have seen both sides. It’s bloody cold. The design might look nice but it does not work in the reality of the North West of England. The club bought in to the wrong idea. It cost a large amount of the stadium budget to create this feature and I doubt the club can justify or afford a new roof.

End of the story is, we are going to have to put up with it.
Unless they do reconfigure the roof to such an extent it can withstand full enclosure, which basically is rebuilding the stadium, it is never going to happen.

I know I should not get annoyed but every two seconds there is a cladding comment but I am. We need to get over it. If people feel that strongly that the micro climate that is Langtree park is too cold to visit they will not come back. The club know that, but honestly they can’t afford to fully fix the problem no matter how many season tickets they lose.

It’s sad but its the truth.

Sceptical Ste
18th May 2012, 20:25
Good time lapse video on the Barr website, top right hand corner.

http://www.barr-construction.co.uk/projects-and-case-studies/stadium-design-and-construction/new-st-helens-rugby-league-stadium/

Windle Lad
18th May 2012, 23:06
I haven't seen anyone mention this, apologies if they have.

At the 'Pie and Peas' afternoon at Langtree Park last Saturday for the Wigan game, host Tommy Martyn was answering questions at the end from the fans there. Then, without the question being asked, he said something along the lines of 'Can I talk about the c word', and sounded very peeved about it (whether he'd been hassled by people about it during the day I don't know). He said he'd spoken to the Stadium Manager that week, and that there was no chance of it happening any time soon. He said the roof would need completely restructuring, and it would cost (he said) millions. In a half-serious voice he asked people to stop mentioning it 'on those forums you go on'.

While I appreciated him telling us, I did wonder - why should it fall to an ex-player, now hospitality manager at the club, to tell fans what is happening with the stadium, an issue lots of fans obviously care a great deal about? The obvious answer is that it shouldn't.

It's precisely the lack of communication and clarification from the powers up high at the club which is causing the issue to fester. I was embarrassed for Tommy. Eamonn - speak to us!!

Exactly. EM was quick to tell us it was the best rugby owned stadium in the country, now when some people don't quite see it that way we are told to be quiet. The reality is I suppose that any comment about the real issues as mentioned above would be to admit a design folly of the highest magnitude and it doesn't look like anybody is prepared to say that publicly. Yet again we get 2nd hand information from somebody who has attended a function at the stadium.

The message from the club is clear - give us 10,000 season ticket holders, but don't expect anything from us in the way of decent communication if you have any concerns - just keep quiet. It's a joke.:(

SElliott
19th May 2012, 01:44
we should all just quite moaning about it and get on with it, and focus our attentions on the team, not having a go hear cos i feel just as passionately about the whole subject but i guess now we all know its not going to happen :/

Dynamite Don Brennan
19th May 2012, 10:54
Not trying to get all self righteous or owt,but there for the grace of god(EM:)).
http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=527756&tsmp=1337420469&start=60
Incredibly sad whats going on over there at Bradford.

DD
19th May 2012, 15:10
This has gone on for too long this.

I have sat reading on this forum eagerly watching Stadium Watch when I lived back in Aus. I have looked at most of the documentation for day one watching this stadium grown from application to today in its 'uncompleted form'. The thing is...it is complete

That’s it, not much can be done to change it. And I think a lot of people on here need to realise this.
Even if, and its a big if that they will even bother now, they install this cheese grater style cladding it will do absolutely nothing to stop this wind and rain or retain any bit of atmosphere created within the ground.

The club bought into an idea. The ‘halo’ roof. In my opinion I think it looks great when I've had the chance to sit in the South stand this year but as I actually hold a West terrace ticket I have seen both sides. It’s bloody cold. The design might look nice but it does not work in the reality of the North West of England. The club bought in to the wrong idea. It cost a large amount of the stadium budget to create this feature and I doubt the club can justify or afford a new roof.

End of the story is, we are going to have to put up with it.
Unless they do reconfigure the roof to such an extent it can withstand full enclosure, which basically is rebuilding the stadium, it is never going to happen.

I know I should not get annoyed but every two seconds there is a cladding comment but I am. We need to get over it. If people feel that strongly that the micro climate that is Langtree park is too cold to visit they will not come back. The club know that, but honestly they can’t afford to fully fix the problem no matter how many season tickets they lose.

It’s sad but its the truth.

So they ****ed up and we just have to accept it then. Well that makes us all feel better about it! :)

Sadfish
19th May 2012, 17:02
So they ****ed up and we just have to accept it then. Well that makes us all feel better about it! :)

Unless you have £xxx,xxx amount of money spare to do the cladding then it seems that way.

We have been told all along that it would be completed, not sure what we can do, it's cosmetic, if you want to start some kind of "ISSCA" then go ahead but to be honest it's a bit over the top when you consider our position to say Bradford, or Wakefield or even Wigan without a stadium.....

The best we can do is ask for the definitive answer on it, we missed it on the plans, the club didn't as it was clearly setout to have the "halo" effect.

Either way, either do something or stfu ;)

Windle Lad
19th May 2012, 20:48
Unless you have £xxx,xxx amount of money spare to do the cladding then it seems that way.

We have been told all along that it would be completed, not sure what we can do, it's cosmetic, if you want to start some kind of "ISSCA" then go ahead but to be honest it's a bit over the top when you consider our position to say Bradford, or Wakefield or even Wigan without a stadium.....

The best we can do is ask for the definitive answer on it, we missed it on the plans, the club didn't as it was clearly setout to have the "halo" effect.

Either way, either do something or stfu ;)

To be honest if we got some official comment from the club rather than the second-hand, drip-fed rubbish that keeps being put out - I suspect most people would stfu. And by the way its functional not cosmetic, though granted I agree with your comments re the situation of other clubs as i am sure most fans would. The inablity of the club to communicate with its customers has become the bigger issue IMO rather than anybody wanting to start a "give us our cladding" campaign.

Sadfish
19th May 2012, 22:17
To be honest if we got some official comment from the club rather than the second-hand, drip-fed rubbish that keeps being put out - I suspect most people would stfu. And by the way its functional not cosmetic, though granted I agree with your comments re the situation of other clubs as i am sure most fans would. The inablity of the club to communicate with its customers has become the bigger issue IMO rather than anybody wanting to start a "give us our cladding" campaign.


Well get something going then and get onto them! :)

saintlysid
20th May 2012, 23:32
It makes my blood boil.
Because of some idiots obsession with a "Halo" effect roof, Were all gonna have to swallow it and freeze for the duration.
Comfort and practicality sacraficed purely for asthetics. (it looks crap anyway)
Not even the decency of an explanation from the club despite some fans signing up for a five year ticket on the basis of mcmanus promising a "fully enclosed stadium".
Only saints could f..k it up so monumentally.Its pathetic that such a basic commonsense error could be made over such an important issue.
The people responsible for this lost opportunity to have a ground fit for purpose should at the very least take it on the chin and apolagise for misleading so many fans.

=Rob_SaintsFan07;427452]This has gone on for too long this.

I have sat reading on this forum eagerly watching Stadium Watch when I lived back in Aus. I have looked at most of the documentation for day one watching this stadium grown from application to today in its 'uncompleted form'. The thing is...it is complete

That’s it, not much can be done to change it. And I think a lot of people on here need to realise this.
Even if, and its a big if that they will even bother now, they install this cheese grater style cladding it will do absolutely nothing to stop this wind and rain or retain any bit of atmosphere created within the ground.

The club bought into an idea. The ‘halo’ roof. In my opinion I think it looks great when I've had the chance to sit in the South stand this year but as I actually hold a West terrace ticket I have seen both sides. It’s bloody cold. The design might look nice but it does not work in the reality of the North West of England. The club bought in to the wrong idea. It cost a large amount of the stadium budget to create this feature and I doubt the club can justify or afford a new roof.

End of the story is, we are going to have to put up with it.
Unless they do reconfigure the roof to such an extent it can withstand full enclosure, which basically is rebuilding the stadium, it is never going to happen.

I know I should not get annoyed but every two seconds there is a cladding comment but I am. We need to get over it. If people feel that strongly that the micro climate that is Langtree park is too cold to visit they will not come back. The club know that, but honestly they can’t afford to fully fix the problem no matter how many season tickets they lose.

It’s sad but its the truth.[/QUOTE]

RedVee Admin
21st May 2012, 00:49
It makes my blood boil.
Because of some idiots obsession with a "Halo" effect roof, Were all gonna have to swallow it and freeze for the duration.
Comfort and practicality sacraficed purely for asthetics. (it looks crap anyway)
Not even the decency of an explanation from the club despite some fans signing up for a five year ticket on the basis of mcmanus promising a "fully enclosed stadium".
Only saints could f..k it up so monumentally.Its pathetic that such a basic commonsense error could be made over such an important issue.
The people responsible for this lost opportunity to have a ground fit for purpose should at the very least take it on the chin and apolagise for misleading so many fans.

I don't get your first and third lines.

Did Knowsley Road (RIP) have a different climate? Was it semi tropical up there? I sure as hell remember many games where I froze my tits off. What were people expecting at Langtree Park that was so radically different to any other part of St Helens?

I'd love to run a poll of all season ticket holders and find out how many bought a season ticket based ONLY on the picture shown to them of an artists impression of the stadium.


If you had been shown a picture showing LP exactly as it looks now, complete with climate statistics, would you have really said "Nah mate, screw that. Unless it's 100% enclosed and at room temperature, I'm staying at home." ???

doghead
21st May 2012, 09:08
room temperature, "silly billy" I did expect the concourse to be dry, fans have been "rubber dicked" with the artist impressions of the stadium.
You dont have to clad the stadium for the concourse to be weather proof, there are other alternatives.

RedVee Admin
21st May 2012, 09:56
OK, maybe not room temperature and I see what you're saying about the concourse but... the question remains: had you the opportunity to see the stadium exactly as it is now, before you bought your season ticket, would you have not bought the season ticket?

Windle Lad
21st May 2012, 10:31
room temperature, "silly billy" I did expect the concourse to be dry, fans have been "rubber dicked" with the artist impressions of the stadium.
You dont have to clad the stadium for the concourse to be weather proof, there are other alternatives.

The concourses are also not designed to be wet - so there is a clear contradiction in design and build - pretty fundamental mistake I would have said. And to RVA's post, as mentioned earlier, if the Chairman wants to tell everybody its the best Rugby Stadium in the Country he can expect some stick based on the design and fundamental flaws that the club says it has recognised, but now seem powerless to do anything about; or so they have said to a bloke who knows another bloke who tells us.

I would have bought still bought a season ticket regardless, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, and the reality is until you take your seat you don't really know how it's going to be. You are also trusting the competency of the stadium designers to build somethig that is fit for purpose as there have been enough new stadiums built in the last decade for people to know what they are doing.

doghead
21st May 2012, 11:46
OK, maybe not room temperature and I see what you're saying about the concourse but... the question remains: had you the opportunity to see the stadium exactly as it is now, before you bought your season ticket, would you have not bought the season ticket?

Yes, but not in the North stand.

forward ref
21st May 2012, 13:35
The core fans would have bought a ST anyway so the question is a mute one. The difference between success and failure is on the heads of new fans. Will they renew? Will more fans come in? If the club doesn't hit 10k ST holders next season then the club is in financial trouble.

The real question is, will this lack of cladding deter these new fans? You've got to imagine that they are not as committed as the die hards that had STs at KR and Widnes.

Are there any newcomers that post on here? If so then please step forward and tell us if this cladding lark is a deal breaker for you for next season. The whole future of the club rests on your shoulders.

RedVee Admin
21st May 2012, 13:53
The core fans would have bought a ST anyway so the question is a mute one.
That's my whole point: from what I can see, the people who say they were sold a season ticket on the basis of the pictures they were shown, would have bought that season ticket regardless.

Ergo they bought a ticket based on the product and not the packaging.

hazzo21
21st May 2012, 14:07
That's my whole point: from what I can see, the people who say they were sold a season ticket on the basis of the pictures they were shown, would have bought that season ticket regardless.

Ergo they bought a ticket based on the product and not the packaging.


I totally agree with your point, however it only applies to 2012. The problem we may have and the one that others are mentioning is that due to the experience some people have had this year, they wont renew for 2013 and beyond. Depending on the magnitude of this problem, the club may have to look at changing their plans.

For what its worth my personal view is that the stadium doesnt look finished as it is and I think the addition of 'c' would solve this. I sit on the next to back row of the North stand in the 3rd block from the West and for me the weather isnt that much of an issue. Yes it has been cold on occasion but that is because it is just cold in general!!! I cant recall going to many stadiums where it has been freezing outside but warm in the ground.
Some people have gone too far over the top on this issue by describing it as the coldest stadium they have ever been to. That is just complete rubbish. Oldham, Hull (not KC), Castleford, Bradford etc. are all/have been far worse when the elements are against us!!

I would however go watching Saints no matter what the weather or conditions were like so it doesnt matter too much to me.


However if the conditions are bad enough that it will stop people coming then we have a big problem.

Sadfish
21st May 2012, 17:10
If people don't buy a season ticket due to the cladding then really they are no loss in my opinion, these are the same people who said they wouldn't buy a season ticket whilst "KR had open bogs", "woudn't travel to peasley cross to watch saints", "if it's too far to walk it too far to watch"......... etc etc.....

It's ridiculous.

Yes, sort the cladding out or tell us why it's not being done, No don't go one about what will or won't make you buy a season ticket next year, because really, WE DON'T CARE!

If you buy into Saints you buy into the team thats all, to watch the team on the pitch. The rest is TOTALLY arbitrary.

paulscnthorpe
21st May 2012, 17:20
If people don't buy a season ticket due to the cladding then really they are no loss in my opinion, these are the same people who said they wouldn't buy a season ticket whilst "KR had open bogs", "woudn't travel to peasley cross to watch saints", "if it's too far to walk it too far to watch"......... etc etc.....

It's ridiculous.

Yes, sort the cladding out or tell us why it's not being done, No don't go one about what will or won't make you buy a season ticket next year, because really, WE DON'T CARE!

If you buy into Saints you buy into the team thats all, to watch the team on the pitch. The rest is TOTALLY arbitrary.

Maybe for you and I, but I reckon there's about 3k fans who can take it or leave it. I couldn't really care less why people come to saints or don't. The person who doesn't really care that much, pays the same as the diehard

hazzo21
21st May 2012, 17:23
If people don't buy a season ticket due to the cladding then really they are no loss in my opinion, these are the same people who said they wouldn't buy a season ticket whilst "KR had open bogs", "woudn't travel to peasley cross to watch saints", "if it's too far to walk it too far to watch"......... etc etc.....

It's ridiculous.

Yes, sort the cladding out or tell us why it's not being done, No don't go one about what will or won't make you buy a season ticket next year, because really, WE DON'T CARE!

If you buy into Saints you buy into the team thats all, to watch the team on the pitch. The rest is TOTALLY arbitrary.

I agree with you mate but unfortunately if there are a significant number of people who wont renew based on the facilities then can the club afford to just ignore them?

If Saints can survive with the 'hardcore' of support who would watch them on a farmers field then all well and good but I suspect they will probably need the fairer fans to make the business run profitably.

Unfortunately the answer to how big a financial issue this could be may only be known at the end of 2013 when we see what crowds we get versus the crowds this year.

Sadfish
21st May 2012, 17:29
It still doesnt matter, if you can't fix the cladding and that seems to be correct then c'est la vie.

hazzo21
21st May 2012, 17:31
It still doesnt matter, if you can't fix the cladding and that seems to be correct then c'est la vie.

If it cant be fixed then fair enough.

However I was always under the impression it could be fixed its just Saints have chosen not to (why else submit planning for it).

If this is the case then it becomes a cost v benefit debate for the directors and management.

forward ref
21st May 2012, 17:32
It's this 3k people that are critical to Saints being a success next year or doing a Bradford. If they turn their back on the club because of the Siberia like wind that blows through the North stand then we're all sunk.

steve
21st May 2012, 19:03
because of the Siberia like wind that blows through the North stand then we're all sunk.

I sit in the North Stand I must have missed this. Its no colder, dryer, or unpleasant than my spec on the popular side at KR was. The difference is I can see every blade of grass and the screen in distinctly more comfort than before. The reason why people may or may not renew their season ticket next year is more to do with what happens on the pitch rather than the views of one or two people on here who have decided that the ground is "unfinished"because apparently they were promised some cladding.

I agree with Sadfish if someone decides not to renew because the stadium isnt clad we dont want them.

paulscnthorpe
21st May 2012, 19:48
I agree with Sadfish if someone decides not to renew because the stadium isnt clad we dont want them.

I bet you do want the £250+ a year they bring in for players though

Sadfish
21st May 2012, 19:50
I bet you do want the £250+ a year they bring in for players though

You can't build a club on fair weather fans mate, only on your core set.

warringtonsaint
21st May 2012, 20:15
You can't build a club on fair weather fans mate, only on your core set.

But surely it's vital for the club to get the fair-weather fans to commit to becoming regular attendees and increase the "core set?"

Sadfish
21st May 2012, 20:20
But surely it's vital for the club to get the fair-weather fans to commit to becoming regular attendees and increase the "core set?"

absolutely, but not at the expense of breaking the club. Which is what we seem to be talking about here.

Gray77
21st May 2012, 20:28
You can't build a club on fair weather fans mate, only on your core set.

But our core set isn't big enough and never really has been. If it was big enough you could argue that we wouldn't have been so desperate for this new stadium in the first place. The new place has been built to maximise the attention of the town who previously have been pretty much abysmal at supporting this club on a consistent basis. It grates at me as well that all of these people have appeared just because of a shiny new building, but that's the way it is. We need them, the club needs them whether we think they add anything to our fanbases culture or atmosphere.

Sadfish
21st May 2012, 20:32
But our core set isn't big enough and never really has been. If it was big enough you could argue that we wouldn't have been so desperate for this new stadium in the first place. The new place has been built to maximise the attention of the town who previously have been pretty much abysmal at supporting this club on a consistent basis. It grates at me as well that all of these people have appeared just because of a shiny new building, but that's the way it is. We need them, the club needs them whether we think they add anything to our fanbases culture or atmosphere.

No doubt we do need them, I agree, and have always done so, but not at the expense of the club, like any business, you can build only on the sales you can rely on not the special sales you get from time to time, if we can't do the cladding now due to costs then there is no other option but to accept some fair weather fans will walk away........

grahamk
21st May 2012, 21:08
But our core set isn't big enough and never really has been. If it was big enough you could argue that we wouldn't have been so desperate for this new stadium in the first place. The new place has been built to maximise the attention of the town who previously have been pretty much abysmal at supporting this club on a consistent basis. It grates at me as well that all of these people have appeared just because of a shiny new building, but that's the way it is. We need them, the club needs them whether we think they add anything to our fanbases culture or atmosphere.

Don't think it was just the shiny new building attraction syndrome, new (and some old) fans needed better facilities and the obvious way to deliver these was in the form of a new place not to mention the revenue generated by by the sale of the old site. Agree with everything you say though, we need to retain this magnificent increase in support, however a large proportion of these new attendees are not in the first flush of youth and have come to LP to enjoy the comfort not previously afforder by KR (RIP).
My principal concern is that if the facilities don't come up to scratch and the anticipated level of comfort is not realised, season tickets may not be renewed by some.
Sorry, but what still grates with me is the irrevocable fact that we bought into 5 year ticket contracts based on a guaranteed stadium design which has not been fulfilled and no-one at top level appears to have the guts to explain why. Anyway we'll still be there, 46 years on, just a pity that the much anticipated and well publicised stadium design does not come up to expectations.

RedVee Admin
21st May 2012, 21:53
the Siberia like wind that blows through the North stand
Told you a million times, don't exaggerate!

St Helens, tomorrow: 21c, wind NW 14km/h

Tomsk, Siberia, tomorrow: 23c, wind SW 13km/h

I'd prefer a Siberia like wind, quite frankly.

RedVee Admin
21st May 2012, 21:57
the irrevocable fact that we bought into 5 year ticket contracts based on a guaranteed stadium design which has not been fulfilled

So you only bought a season ticket to access a building? And there could be 10 year old kids playing tiddlywinks on the pitch as that bit is irrelevant? TOSH.

ma barker
21st May 2012, 22:53
Did Knowsley Road (RIP) have a different climate? Was it semi tropical up there? I sure as hell remember many games where I froze my tits off. What were people expecting at Langtree Park that was so radically different to any other part of St Helens?





The point you seem to be (deliberately) missing is that KR was a known quantity. We knew where to sit and stand to avoid the worst of the weather if we wanted to.
We knew there was no roof on the lavatories, we knew everything about the ground.
I bought into the 5 year plan and wish I hadn't now. It is freezing at the top of the North Stand. It's on a par with the Galpharm for me and I've never been warm there even in the height of summer. There is some kind of strange micro climate at Hudds where the ground is cold and the concourse is ripe for sunbathing.
Anyway, I digress. It's not the ground I was hoping for and it's a bitter disappointment which is exacerbated by the deafening silence on the club's part.

The Surveyor
21st May 2012, 23:00
The point you seem to be (deliberately) missing is that KR was a known quantity. We knew where to sit and stand to avoid the worst of the weather if we wanted to.
We knew there was no roof on the lavatories, we knew everything about the ground.
I bought into the 5 year plan and wish I hadn't now. It is freezing at the top of the North Stand. It's on a par with the Galpharm for me and I've never been warm there even in the height of summer. There is some kind of strange micro climate at Hudds where the ground is cold and the concourse is ripe for sunbathing.
Anyway, I digress. It's not the ground I was hoping for and it's a bitter disappointment which is exacerbated by the deafening silence on the club's part.

This is the bit that is really bugging people. Why on earth don't they say something? Supporters have shelled out big time on 5 year season tickets etc and deserve at least the courtesy of some sort of an update from the club.

saintlysid
21st May 2012, 23:15
you really do talk absolute drivel.. Its a fact that lots of fans, many of them new fans, have bought five year season tickets because they were reassured by eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed.They are entitled, given the obvious shortcomings of the ground to feel aggrieved that the ground does not offer even basic protection from the elements. your attitude is disgrace. You dismiss his view as irrelevent "TOSH", a view that hes quite entitled to hold, simply because you happen to disagree with it .You need to grow up my friend.


So you only bought a season ticket to access a building? And there could be 10 year old kids playing tiddlywinks on the pitch as that bit is irrelevant? TOSH.

saintlysid
21st May 2012, 23:18
your 100% correct.The place is a fridge.

The point you seem to be (deliberately) missing is that KR was a known quantity. We knew where to sit and stand to avoid the worst of the weather if we wanted to.
We knew there was no roof on the lavatories, we knew everything about the ground.
I bought into the 5 year plan and wish I hadn't now. It is freezing at the top of the North Stand. It's on a par with the Galpharm for me and I've never been warm there even in the height of summer. There is some kind of strange micro climate at Hudds where the ground is cold and the concourse is ripe for sunbathing.
Anyway, I digress. It's not the ground I was hoping for and it's a bitter disappointment which is exacerbated by the deafening silence on the club's part.

RedVee Admin
22nd May 2012, 02:56
you really do talk absolute drivel.. Its a fact that lots of fans, many of them new fans, have bought five year season tickets because they were reassured by eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed.They are entitled, given the obvious shortcomings of the ground to feel aggrieved that the ground does not offer even basic protection from the elements. your attitude is disgrace. You dismiss his view as irrelevent "TOSH", a view that hes quite entitled to hold, simply because you happen to disagree with it .You need to grow up my friend.

You call my opinion absolute drivel yet slate me for saying tosh. Bit of hypocrisy there.

And re-read what I wrote. I did not say irrelevant tosh so if you do wish to dispute what I'm saying, at least quote me correctly and in context.

RedVee Admin
22nd May 2012, 03:10
The point you seem to be (deliberately) missing is that KR was a known quantity. We knew where to sit and stand to avoid the worst of the weather if we wanted to.
We knew there was no roof on the lavatories, we knew everything about the ground.
I bought into the 5 year plan and wish I hadn't now. It is freezing at the top of the North Stand. It's on a par with the Galpharm for me and I've never been warm there even in the height of summer. There is some kind of strange micro climate at Hudds where the ground is cold and the concourse is ripe for sunbathing.
Anyway, I digress. It's not the ground I was hoping for and it's a bitter disappointment which is exacerbated by the deafening silence on the club's part.

Thank you. I may be missing the point but I'm not doing it deliberately. Most people are too busy shouting to actually explain.

Am I correct in thinking that your grievance is that unlike KR, you are stuck in your spec at LP and cannot move? From this, can I assume that you would have bought a season ticket regardless, just not in the seat that you currently own? And that your frustrations are worsened by the fact that you're stuck there for five years, whereas a one year ticket would have allowed you the opportunity to relocate next season?

grahamk
22nd May 2012, 16:38
So you only bought a season ticket to access a building? And there could be 10 year old kids playing tiddlywinks on the pitch as that bit is irrelevant? TOSH.

If you think that promising one thing and delivering another is TOSH then so be it. You'd be happy then if you'd won the lottery with a guaranteed jackot of
18mil only to be handed a cheque for 18 quid would you, same thing, renaging on a deal. Of course we didn't buy season tickets to do anything other than support our team in a state of the art stadium, and once again as others have already stated you have failed to recognise what is a valid point made by many
of us here.

Jonny
22nd May 2012, 17:18
I'm not sure why people are moaning about the cold, Saints have been providing a solution for quite a while now:

http://www.saintssuperstore.com/3_LEISUREWEAR/16_Mens/585_2011-Vintage-Zipped-Hoodie.html

Private Pyle
22nd May 2012, 20:14
Its a fact that lots of fans, many of them new fans, have bought five year season tickets because they were reassured by eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed.

I'd be amazed if many of the five year season ticket holders were new fans. Why would someone who has never supported Saints before commit to a five year deal costing a grand or whatever it was? I'm even more amazed that you can categorically state that as fact and I suspect in reality you have absolutely no idea.

I will however join your crusade if you can point me in the direction of this promise from Eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed, something which you've again stated is a fact. Incidentally given that I don't already know about it I'd be one of the minority (your opinion) of the five year season tickets who didn't buy it for that reason.

To be fair to admin it's quite easy to miss valid points in this thread when it's full of exaggerations, false claims and just general bullpoo. The winds blowing through the north stand get colder and colder every time someone complains about them.

saintlysid
22nd May 2012, 21:11
To be honest I couldnt care less if you join my crusade or not.Incidentally its not a crusade its an opinion.
I have not the slightest interest in amazing you either .
The simple fact is, the ground is a dissapointment in that it provides poor protection from the elements and is unpopular with many fans.You may not accept this view but time will tell when next season we will see how many fans renew season tickets.
I spoke to a chap a couple of weeks ago who had bought a season ticket for himself and his disabled wife.They were both new supporters and would not be renewing as they said it was bitterly cold and windy on the disabled platforms.
Perhaps all the people on here who are unhappy with the ground, are as you say, exaggerating, making false claims and full of bullshit .Or, perhaps because you dont agree with their viewpoint, like admin, you seek to ridicule, them and use sarcastic whit to deny thier viewpoint credibility.
The resounding silence from the club regarding the cladding issue is a disgrace .Its an insult to all those supporters who have spent thier cash to buy season tickets for the new ground they had eagerly anticipated.Those same fans would be perfectly entitled to not renew thier tickets and to be honest its no more than the club deserves,.

I'd be amazed if many of the five year season ticket holders were new fans. Why would someone who has never supported Saints before commit to a five year deal costing a grand or whatever it was? I'm even more amazed that you can categorically state that as fact and I suspect in reality you have absolutely no idea.

I will however join your crusade if you can point me in the direction of this promise from Eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed, something which you've again stated is a fact. Incidentally given that I don't already know about it I'd be one of the minority (your opinion) of the five year season tickets who didn't buy it for that reason.

To be fair to admin it's quite easy to miss valid points in this thread when it's full of exaggerations, false claims and just general bullpoo. The winds blowing through the north stand get colder and colder every time someone complains about them.

forward ref
22nd May 2012, 21:24
... and is unpopular with many fans.,.

I've not met anyone who thinks that. Most people I've talked to are saying the stadium is great but could do with one or two improvements.

The other thing is, it's been a very cold spring into early summer which might have shaded some people's view. It has certainly influenced my opinion.

But *unpopular* never. It's one of the best things that's happened to the club in all its history.

Jamie's Boots
22nd May 2012, 21:26
I will however join your crusade if you can point me in the direction of this promise from Eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed, something which you've again stated is a fact.
I think the notion of a fully enclosed stadium came from the 3D graphic film thingy that the club used to promote the stadium on their roadshows. I watched the film when it was on show in the town centre and certainly the stadium was enclosed. There was nothing to state that it would not be.

I stand in the West Stand and there is almost always a breeze, even when there does not appear to be one outside of the stadium. With the exceptionally cold spring we have had, that breeze has sometimes been bone-chilling and it must be worse for people sitting down as they don't have people really close to them to keep them snug! I was never aware of a breeze in the Pop Side at KR. Cladding would help to alleviate that breeze, and it would also make the stadium look finished (and it does not look finished as it is). But other than that, the stadium is fabulous.

Paul Newlove
22nd May 2012, 22:38
Glad we've got the stadium obviously but I must admit a hell of a breeze comes in from that open end in section A of the north stand, been shivering at every game really apart from that Leeds match. If not enclosed for next season I may change to the prawn sandwich brigade in the south stand.

Private Pyle
22nd May 2012, 22:56
because you dont agree with their viewpoint

Never said that though did I? As a north stander I actually agree for the most part, I just disagree with the way those viewpoints are being put across. Stating things as fact when they're clearly not or exagerating truths are hardly likely to make the powers that be give you the answers you're looking for.

Private Pyle
22nd May 2012, 23:06
I think the notion of a fully enclosed stadium came from the 3D graphic film thingy that the club used to promote the stadium on their roadshows. I watched the film when it was on show in the town centre and certainly the stadium was enclosed. There was nothing to state that it would not be.

I stand in the West Stand and there is almost always a breeze, even when there does not appear to be one outside of the stadium. With the exceptionally cold spring we have had, that breeze has sometimes been bone-chilling and it must be worse for people sitting down as they don't have people really close to them to keep them snug! I was never aware of a breeze in the Pop Side at KR. Cladding would help to alleviate that breeze, and it would also make the stadium look finished (and it does not look finished as it is). But other than that, the stadium is fabulous.

Can't argue with that. Nice to see a well reasoned and not over-dramatised post ;)

RedVee Admin
22nd May 2012, 23:37
If you think that promising one thing and delivering another is TOSH then so be it. You'd be happy then if you'd won the lottery with a guaranteed jackot of
18mil only to be handed a cheque for 18 quid would you, same thing, renaging on a deal. Of course we didn't buy season tickets to do anything other than support our team in a state of the art stadium, and once again as others have already stated you have failed to recognise what is a valid point made by many
of us here.And once again (as others have) - you have failed to read my post correctly and misquoted me.

TOSH - is in response to people saying that they bought a ticket because they were promised a stadium and would not have bought one otherwise, which means that the product on the pitch was NOT taken into consideration by those purchasers

THAT is TOSH

Every one of those people bought a season ticket to watch Saints. Some aren't happy that the stadium design was different to what they thought it would be. Some aren't happy that their spec isn't what they hoped it would be. Some, with hindsight, would have selected a different spec or stand. That's all 100% fair complaints which with I have no issue.

People saying I only bought because the stadium would be enclosed, are talking tosh.

So frankly, and if this means you then so be it, all those with their outlandish I only bought a FIVE YEAR ticket because the stadium would be clad (ergo they would have stayed in their armchairs otherwise) can TOSH OFF MOANING. If you're that convinced of a breach of terms of sale, go to trading standards instead of incessantly whining on and on and ****ing the rest of us off.

RedVee Admin
22nd May 2012, 23:41
Glad we've got the stadium obviously but I must admit a hell of a breeze comes in from that open end in section A of the north stand, been shivering at every game really apart from that Leeds match. If not enclosed for next season I may change to the prawn sandwich brigade in the south stand.
BINGO. Someone who can give a sane opinion.

grahamk
23rd May 2012, 08:29
And once again (as others have) - you have failed to read my post correctly and misquoted me.

TOSH - is in response to people saying that they bought a ticket because they were promised a stadium and would not have bought one otherwise, which means that the product on the pitch was NOT taken into consideration by those purchasers

THAT is TOSH

Every one of those people bought a season ticket to watch Saints. Some aren't happy that the stadium design was different to what they thought it would be. Some aren't happy that their spec isn't what they hoped it would be. Some, with hindsight, would have selected a different spec or stand. That's all 100% fair complaints which with I have no issue.

People saying I only bought because the stadium would be enclosed, are talking tosh.

So frankly, and if this means you then so be it, all those with their outlandish I only bought a FIVE YEAR ticket because the stadium would be clad (ergo they would have stayed in their armchairs otherwise) can TOSH OFF MOANING. If you're that convinced of a breach of terms of sale, go to trading standards instead of incessantly whining on and on and ****ing the rest of us off.

Oops, we seem to have collectively hit a nerve here so we'd better do what the man says and shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves as they seem to be in conflict with the site administrator.

KentishBarry
23rd May 2012, 08:31
Hopefully a sane question...

Have any of you 5 year people, unhappy which your seat, asked the club if you can change seats for next season (or even the remainder of this season) ?

steve
23rd May 2012, 08:38
Oops, we seem to have collectively hit a nerve here so we'd better do what the man says and shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves as they seem to be in conflict with the site administrator.

Thats because you are talking "TOSH". You all seem to think that this club is a democracy, it isnt! Our last chance to have any influence over the club is when the Official Supporters and ISSA didn't get together to form a single supporters association that actually could have represented the full spectrum of supporters to the club. As it is, it was allowed to be fragmented letting the board do what they want. I am not saying that the outcome would have been any different but there may have been a vehicle for raising those concerns instead of insecently whining on here about how you bought a 5 year season ticket under false pretences. Personally I bought mine to watch the rugby.

RedVee Admin
23rd May 2012, 09:04
Oops, we seem to have collectively hit a nerve here so we'd better do what the man says and shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves as they seem to be in conflict with the site administrator.
Do not insult me. Argue a conflicting point by all means, that's what I'm doing, but do not insult me.

paulscnthorpe
23rd May 2012, 09:31
Hopefully a sane question...

Have any of you 5 year people, unhappy which your seat, asked the club if you can change seats for next season (or even the remainder of this season) ?

I'm pretty certain you can swap year to year. We were offered this at the start of the year, but getting our 13 seats together was a none starter, ironically because the view would not be as good.

It all comes back to when we signed up, we were advised the south would be all corporate (which it ain't) and the stadium enclosed (which it ain't) given the opportunity again we'd have probably hung on for decent seats in the south

Sadfish
23rd May 2012, 09:51
Thats because you are talking "TOSH". You all seem to think that this club is a democracy, it isnt! Our last chance to have any influence over the club is when the Official Supporters and ISSA didn't get together to form a single supporters association that actually could have represented the full spectrum of supporters to the club. As it is, it was allowed to be fragmented letting the board do what they want.

Rubbish, the official supporters club where in the back pocket of the previous board before Eamonn came along. He then removed their "rights" and the became the "original" etc....... There where still some good eggs in the Official Supporters club though, don't get me wrong.

ISSA were a voice for those unhappy with the club, not everyone bought into ISSA and that was fair enough but at least there was a way of getting your point across at meetings with the club, unlike now when no one seems to be bothered and would prefer to just whinge on here.


Personally I bought mine to watch the rugby.

Didn't we all?

Kal-El
23rd May 2012, 09:59
I may change to the prawn sandwich brigade in the south stand.


As it happens I hate prawns, and cucumber too!!!:)

steve
23rd May 2012, 10:15
Rubbish, the official supporters club where in the back pocket of the previous board before Eamonn came along. He then removed their "rights" and the became the "original" etc....... There where still some good eggs in the Official Supporters club though, don't get me wrong.

ISSA were a voice for those unhappy with the club, not everyone bought into ISSA and that was fair enough but at least there was a way of getting your point across at meetings with the club, unlike now when no one seems to be bothered and would prefer to just whinge on here.



Didn't we all?

But isnt that the point? Had those 2 organisations joined together there may have been a vehicle with enough popular support to make the board at least listen to the views of the supporters? The fact that the 2 groups had their own self interest at heart meant that they wouldn't get together and as a consequence they whinge on here. And having read though this thread it would appear that a number of people bought their tickets because of the promise of cladding.

KentishBarry
23rd May 2012, 10:20
I'm pretty certain you can swap year to year. We were offered this at the start of the year, but getting our 13 seats together was a none starter...



Fair enough. I can see that swaping 13 would be difficult if you all want to stay together.
Good luck for next year!

Sadfish
23rd May 2012, 10:47
But isnt that the point? Had those 2 organisations joined together there may have been a vehicle with enough popular support to make the board at least listen to the views of the supporters? The fact that the 2 groups had their own self interest at heart meant that they wouldn't get together and as a consequence they whinge on here. And having read though this thread it would appear that a number of people bought their tickets because of the promise of cladding.
How can an independent and an official supporters club join forces? Not possible, they both had completely seperate agenda's.

The fact that they didn't come together isn't the reason people complain on here, that's just people not being arsed to contact the club.

Yes put your point across on here.

No, don't whinge at the club on here and expect them to act on it. Contact them direct and they will respond.

Div
23rd May 2012, 10:54
It could be worse we could still be pi55ing on a stone wall and swimming in the puddle of it unable to wash our hands afterwards like at KR.

I accept things could be better but bloody hell all things considered the stadium is still the best sole use one in the business and a miracle its been achieved against the background of the worse recession in a few generations. If its a bit chilly dress for the conditions !

I'm sure the club will put it right but the cost is something quite substantial from what I heard, I was told £0.75m, probably not easy to put hands on just at the moment.

I suspect that a good number of new fans won't renew their tickets but I think that was always going to be the case one the novelty factor of the new stadium wore off. I cannot honestly believe that anyone who attended KR are going to abandon Langtree Park saying its not up to scratch.

People bought tickets on the promise of cladding ? I have never heard such a load of utter rubbish in my life !!

Windle Lad
23rd May 2012, 11:12
It all comes back to when we signed up, we were advised the south would be all corporate (which it ain't) and the stadium enclosed (which it ain't) given the opportunity again we'd have probably hung on for decent seats in the south

I think this comes back to a previous point that the 5 year option was only available in the North when tickets were released, as no South Stand tickets were available. This was a good deal from Saints and was at least in part, if not totally, aimed at maintaining a throughput for the season at Widnes. It is some of those fans who showed loyalty to the club and went to Widnes every week who now have concerns/comments to make. Unfortunately it is with these very fans that the club has decided not to engage with, so personally I think if people feel aggrieved that they are not hearing anything from the club, they have every right to be.

For those saying contact the club etc - its been done by several - they are not interested in a public comment. Therefore people will continue to put things on here because they know the club are aware of the comments and see it as away of putting their views out there.

I hope that's sane enough.

RedVee Admin
23rd May 2012, 11:14
People bought tickets on the promise of cladding ? I have never heard such a load of utter rubbish in my life !!No Div, it's true. People who had never heard of Saints or never been to a game were shown a picture and as a result they signed a five year deal. All the Chuggers on Church Street were kicking themselves at missing such an easy way of getting people's money.

Sausalito
23rd May 2012, 11:25
You should never go off an artists impression. :wink:

RedVee Admin
23rd May 2012, 11:40
I think if people feel aggrieved that they are not hearing anything from the club, they have every right to be.
Agree totally. And the rest of your post is indeed sane.

As I said earlier, if people were to say to me:

"I went to the roadshows in 2010, saw the plans and as a result signed up to the five year deal. However when I eventually got my seat at Langtree Park it wasn't what I expected at all and with hindsight, had I known this, I would have signed to a different seat/stand. I believe that my deal was mis-sold and when I contacted the club to say that I wasn't happy with my purchase, they completely ignored me."

then I would have no rational reason to disagree with them.

What I completely disagree with, it the line: "I only bought a ticket because Eamonn promised cladding" as that is complete bunkum. The very fact that they went to buy a deal means they wanted a ticket in the first place due to the product on the pitch and not the packaging surrounding it.

RedVee Admin
23rd May 2012, 11:47
My other issue is with the line, the club are saying nowt (but I'll carry on moaning and doing nowt).


EDIT - disregard the following posting as it does not apply to Saints five year deals:

If I had bought a subscription and it wasn't as it should be, I would harass the seller. If they ignored me, I would cancel my direct debit immediately. They'd soon get in touch if I wasn't paying them.

Div
23rd May 2012, 11:51
My other issue is with the line, the club are saying nowt (but I'll carry on moaning and doing nowt).

If I had bought a subscription and it wasn't as it should be, I would harass the seller. If they ignored me, I would cancel my direct debit immediately. They'd soon get in touch if I wasn't paying them.

Not wise I suspect. I did the 5 year deal and had to sign a credit agreement with a third party Leisure Credit Ltd. I suspect that the club have had the money or at least a very big proportion of it upfront. To cancel the DDM means you would be in default with the credit company and not to Saints. It could damage peoples credit rating if they do that. Just a warning in case people decide to take that course of action !

RedVee Admin
23rd May 2012, 12:03
That point, I was unaware of. I assumed that the direct debits went to Saints, I wasn't aware of any credit agreements (and frankly that would have stopped me signing on a five year deal in the first place!).

doghead
23rd May 2012, 12:05
It could be worse we could still be pi55ing on a stone wall and swimming in the puddle of it unable to wash our hands afterwards like at KR.



People bought tickets on the promise of cladding ? I have never heard such a load of utter rubbish in my life !!

silly billy, cladding wasn't an issue when we all signed up.

Sadfish
23rd May 2012, 12:28
Not wise I suspect. I did the 5 year deal and had to sign a credit agreement with a third part Leisure Credit Ltd. I suspect that the club have had the money or at least a very big proportion of it upfront. To cancel the DDM means you would be in default with the credit company and not to Saints. It could damage peoples credit rating if they do that. Just a warning in case people decide to take that course of action !


Correct the DDM company will be wringing their hands totting up all those cancellation fees etc.

Not that anyone is REALLY going to cancel a 5 year Season Ticket because of the cladding issue.

ma barker
23rd May 2012, 12:49
Thank you. I may be missing the point but I'm not doing it deliberately. Most people are too busy shouting to actually explain.

Am I correct in thinking that your grievance is that unlike KR, you are stuck in your spec at LP and cannot move? From this, can I assume that you would have bought a season ticket regardless, just not in the seat that you currently own? And that your frustrations are worsened by the fact that you're stuck there for five years, whereas a one year ticket would have allowed you the opportunity to relocate next season?

Yes, absolutely. There was never any doubt I would renew my Season Ticket for LP. I actually pay for 3 season tickets over the 5 year plan which seemed a good deal at the time especially with the 'free' year thrown in. At the time of buying (in the ridiculous Early Bird deal which gets extended time and time again) the South Stand was more expensive and I thought 3 tickets was probably a bit beyond what I could comfortably afford. I was almost persuaded go get tickets in the West but 5 years down the line I'll be knocking a significant age with a zero on the end and didn't know what physical shape I would be in then. I was thinking the big games where you really do have to get there early doors. Plus the fact we are all three shift workers (two being emergency services who can be 'kept on' at a moments notice so seating was the way to go.
Or so I thought....................................

forward ref
23rd May 2012, 16:02
People don't turn away from the club because of cladding. Usually it is more of a sub-conscious thing that is vocalised in things like 'I wasn't enjoying it'.

In retail management it's called hidden or secret barriers. Things such as when a shop has a double door entrance but the staff only unlock one, customers try the locked one first and immediately are on a negative sub-conscious vibe about the store. Pubs experience this with smelly toilets and such. Customers come once or twice and then drift away without knowing consciously why they didn't like a place, they just didn't. But observant experts can spot these things straight away.

Most of the new fans are women and children. Eamon said this. These new fans will more quickly drift away because they are cold/uncomfortable. They probably wont consciously think they werent happy because there was no cladding.

grahamk
23rd May 2012, 18:50
Do not insult me. Argue a conflicting point by all means, that's what I'm doing, but do not insult me.

I certainly would not insult you intentionally, however calling my personal thoughts on a very valid point TOSH is somewhat discouraging.
My apologies for any slight taken.

grahamk
23rd May 2012, 18:52
Hopefully a sane question...

Have any of you 5 year people, unhappy which your seat, asked the club if you can change seats for next season (or even the remainder of this season) ?

Certainly a sane and extremly valid question, personal answer - no not yet but will let everyone know how we get on.

Update: my wife posed the question to the club in person today and was told that if we wanted to relocate from N stand to S stand, we would have to wait until end of 2012 season and apply then to see if any current Southstanders had not renewed their ticket/s. Only South stand block C is currently available for new/relocated customers.

SaintJ
23rd May 2012, 18:56
I think this comes back to a previous point that the 5 year option was only available in the North when tickets were released, as no South Stand tickets were available. This was a good deal from Saints and was at least in part, if not totally, aimed at maintaining a throughput for the season at Widnes. It is some of those fans who showed loyalty to the club and went to Widnes every week who now have concerns/comments to make. Unfortunately it is with these very fans that the club has decided not to engage with, so personally I think if people feel aggrieved that they are not hearing anything from the club, they have every right to be.

For those saying contact the club etc - its been done by several - they are not interested in a public comment. Therefore people will continue to put things on here because they know the club are aware of the comments and see it as away of putting their views out there.

I hope that's sane enough.
Totally agree. Trouble is, we bought ours [5 year ones] with hard earned cash, and do feel aggrieved with the lack of response from the club.:'(

grahamk
23rd May 2012, 19:04
Thats because you are talking "TOSH". You all seem to think that this club is a democracy, it isnt! Our last chance to have any influence over the club is when the Official Supporters and ISSA didn't get together to form a single supporters association that actually could have represented the full spectrum of supporters to the club. As it is, it was allowed to be fragmented letting the board do what they want. I am not saying that the outcome would have been any different but there may have been a vehicle for raising those concerns instead of insecently whining on here about how you bought a 5 year season ticket under false pretences. Personally I bought mine to watch the rugby.

Where has this idea that fans have bought into a 5 year deal just to admire the fixtures and fittings come from?
It is blindingly obvious that supporters of a club buy match day tickets, season tickets, extended deal season tickets or whatever to watch their team play and hopefully win more than they lose. By purchasing this ticket the supporter is entitled to attend the game/games and to voice any criticism or praise of anything either on or off the field. Anyone who purchased a ticket PURELY to denegrate the stadium is a complete idiot and should instead donate his admission money to the Steve Prescott fund or any other worthwhile charity. And can we collectively drop this TOSH thing, it is irritating in the extreme.

Sausalito
23rd May 2012, 19:06
Two visitors from Australia, both originally from Wigan had a look around the stadium today, thought it was terrific.

grahamk
23rd May 2012, 19:10
Two visitors from Australia, both originally from Wigan had a look around the stadium today, thought it was terrific.

Great! That was everyone's opinion on first sighting, it still sends a tingle down the spine crossing the bridge.

saintlysid
23rd May 2012, 20:09
Spot on posting. So many people coming back to saints after being away for a while because of the new ground.So many supporting for the first time. All these additional supporters needed to have had a positive experience at LP if they were to renew thier tickets .Its a crying shame that the club is going to lose lots of these new people because of as you say "I just wasnt enjoying it". Its not about cladding. Its about being comfortable, enjoying a positive matchday experience and wanting to come back for more. Its just common sense.
People don't turn away from the club because of cladding. Usually it is more of a sub-conscious thing that is vocalised in things like 'I wasn't enjoying it'.

In retail management it's called hidden or secret barriers. Things such as when a shop has a double door entrance but the staff only unlock one, customers try the locked one first and immediately are on a negative sub-conscious vibe about the store. Pubs experience this with smelly toilets and such. Customers come once or twice and then drift away without knowing consciously why they didn't like a place, they just didn't. But observant experts can spot these things straight away.

Most of the new fans are women and children. Eamon said this. These new fans will more quickly drift away because they are cold/uncomfortable. They probably wont consciously think they werent happy because there was no cladding.

Sadfish
23rd May 2012, 20:52
Totally agree. Trouble is, we bought ours [5 year ones] with hard earned cash, and do feel aggrieved with the lack of response from the club.:'(

Have you asked the club?

Lex
23rd May 2012, 21:14
Have you asked the club?

I wrote a detailed, but polite letter to the club almost a month ago, mainly to enquire and put to bed the Cladding issue. In response; so far, nothing...

wardies love child
23rd May 2012, 21:38
Originally Posted by KentishBarry
Hopefully a sane question...

Have any of you 5 year people, unhappy which your seat, asked the club if you can change seats for next season (or even the remainder of this season) ?
Certainly a sane and extremly valid question, personal answer - no not yet but will let everyone know how we get on.

I went in a while back to ask about moving to south from west and was told yes it's not a problem but would have to call in on a weekday to see the accountant (as described by staff). At that point I thought its not that cold really and a new coat sounded a less expensive option.

Sadfish
23rd May 2012, 21:51
I wrote a detailed, but polite letter to the club almost a month ago, mainly to enquire and put to bed the Cladding issue. In response; so far, nothing...

Disgraceful.

Div
24th May 2012, 09:51
Disgraceful.

Indeed, whether they consider complaints valid or not over anything the club should be acknowledging any letter. Sports clubs often fail to see that supporters are actually customers at the end of the day. In any other business they would be slated for that level of customer service.

I think its high time they appointed some kind of supporter liason manager . I know Mike Appleton often picks up and runs with some of the issues but I wouldnt consider it his remit as such. I am available for the role. :)

RedVee Admin
24th May 2012, 10:15
some fans signing up for a five year ticket on the basis of mcmanus promising a "fully enclosed stadium".


what still grates with me is the irrevocable fact that we bought into 5 year ticket contracts based on a guaranteed stadium design which has not been fulfilled


Its a fact that lots of fans, many of them new fans, have bought five year season tickets because they were reassured by eammon that the ground would be fully enclosed.


Where has this idea that fans have bought into a 5 year deal just to admire the fixtures and fittings come from?

RedVee Admin
24th May 2012, 10:26
I certainly would not insult you intentionally, however calling my personal thoughts on a very valid point TOSH is somewhat discouraging.
My apologies for any slight taken.
No, I didn't call your thoughts, I called your implied reasoning that the product on the pitch was irrelevant and that your season ticket purchase was based purely on the stadium. It implies that you would not have purchased any tickets had some one shown you the stadium as it is today. I actually believe that you, much like every one else, would have bought the season ticket even if Saints were playing on Sherdley Park. I was trying to get you to admit this.

The reason why I say don't insult me (and I took no offence, tough skinned from running this place) is because I do not dispose of people or demand people to shut up, purely because they have a differing opinion to me. I know a handful who will disagree with this instantly and they always will until they realise that their opinions are actually abhorrent and have no place in a right thinking society. Or are just beer talk. But that's another story.

Sadfish
24th May 2012, 10:27
Indeed, whether they consider complaints valid or not over anything the club should be acknowledging any letter. Sports clubs often fail to see that supporters are actually customers at the end of the day. In any other business they would be slated for that level of customer service.

I think its high time they appointed some kind of supporter liason manager . I know Mike Appleton often picks up and runs with some of the issues but I wouldnt consider it his remit as such. I am available for the role. :)

yep every letter should be responded to regardless.

southernsaint7
24th May 2012, 11:20
I wrote a detailed, but polite letter to the club almost a month ago, mainly to enquire and put to bed the Cladding issue. In response; so far, nothing...

Question - who did you send it to? Have you tried emailing Mike Appleton? (sorry if you get even more work Mike!) He's pretty sharp at responding and I'm sure will pass things on to whom it may concern

The Surveyor
24th May 2012, 11:52
Question - who did you send it to? Have you tried emailing Mike Appleton? (sorry if you get even more work Mike!) He's pretty sharp at responding and I'm sure will pass things on to whom it may concern

I e-mailed Mike about this recently - silence I'm afraid.

KentishBarry
24th May 2012, 13:05
I wrote a detailed, but polite letter to the club almost a month ago, mainly to enquire and put to bed the Cladding issue. In response; so far, nothing...

You didn't send it to Knowsley Road by any chance? ;)

Seriously. The club should be responding to these, even if it's just a 'holding' reply. Keep at 'em!

Gray77
24th May 2012, 13:08
The club should be responding to these, even if it's just a 'holding' reply. Keep at 'em!

A simple press release to the St Helens Star or the wider media would do. Look at Liverpool, they just did a press release on how they are getting closer to deciding what to do with their stadium plans. It essentially meant nothing but it at least shows that they are aware that there is an issue. Saints could do the same with this, just to lower the levels of annoyance from some of us.

KentishBarry
24th May 2012, 13:33
A simple press release to the St Helens Star or the wider media would do. Look at Liverpool, they just did a press release on how they are getting closer to deciding what to do with their stadium plans. It essentially meant nothing but it at least shows that they are aware that there is an issue. Saints could do the same with this, just to lower the levels of annoyance from some of us.

It would help a lot!...But anyone who bothers to write a letter should be getting a personal response of some sort. It's basic customer care.

Gray77
24th May 2012, 14:29
It would help a lot!...But anyone who bothers to write a letter should be getting a personal response of some sort. It's basic customer care.

Agreed, it's the bare minimum to be expected really. Generic response, first class stamp, not hard really is it?

KPnuts
24th May 2012, 17:01
Agreed, it's the bare minimum to be expected really. Generic response, first class stamp, not hard really is it?

I have written twice to eammon about other issues and sent the last one recorded delivery and still didn't get a reply!:disgusted:

westerner
24th May 2012, 17:39
I have written twice to eammon about other issues and sent the last one recorded delivery and still didn't get a reply!:disgusted:

I too have written to eammon on two occasions about other issues sending them by recorded delivery and marking them private and confidential and didn't get a reply. Waste of time.

grahamk
24th May 2012, 18:23
Have you asked the club?

See above #187

SaintJ
24th May 2012, 23:25
Have you asked the club?
Yes, I went down to the ticket office on Wednesday, and asked if we could re-locate to the South Stand, as this option was not available when we purchased our 5 yr tickets. Was informed that only Block C was unallocated, but we could change seats IF Southstand season tickets were not re - newed , So will have to wait until season ticket re-newal time, when I suppose many Northstanders will be on the lookout for un-renewed tickets.:(

Saint Ged
25th May 2012, 19:18
It seems to me that the management did not mind reading these columns when they asked for all of the womderful photos that had been taken of the stadiums progress in build but now are very reluctant to admit they know about what is being said about it,s failings.

Lex
25th May 2012, 21:05
It seems to me that the management did not mind reading these columns when they asked for all of the womderful photos that had been taken of the stadiums progress in build but now are very reluctant to admit they know about what is being said about it,s failings.

Absolutely spot on.

RedVee Admin
25th May 2012, 21:06
To be fair, Mike App, who asked for the photos, is not responsible for the "failings" neither is he responsible for Eamonn's correspondence.

Lex
25th May 2012, 21:08
To be fair, Mike App, who asked for the photos, is not responsible for the "failings" neither is he responsible for Eamonn's correspondence.



Yeah, to be honest, that's a very valid point. So with that, scrap my point above in post 212.

Saint Ged
26th May 2012, 14:02
I didn,t say Mike was along with everyone who has had any dealings with him i have time for him, the point i made still stands though, the management, and i am sure it is obvious i direct this not at one person are still in this case are just ignoring what they where so willing to feed of previously.

RedVee Admin
26th May 2012, 21:36
But you're missing the point. The "management" did not ask for the photos. Mike App did.

The rest of your point, yes they are apparently ignoring us, is valid but by using the photos as an example, you are chastising Mike App which is unfair as he is very communicable with the fans.

The Surveyor
26th May 2012, 22:00
But you're missing the point. The "management" did not ask for the photos. Mike App did.

The rest of your point, yes they are apparently ignoring us, is valid but by using the photos as an example, you are chastising Mike App which is unfair as he is very communicable with the fans.

Well he hasn't responded to my e-mail. I'll try again - see if he is communicable this week !

RedVee Admin
27th May 2012, 00:26
Ah... :blush:

Don't want to sound too much like the Mike App appreciation society but judging by his Facebook pictures of the Yorkshire Dales, I think he may have been off last week. Hopefully you will get your response on Monday. :angel:

Saint Ged
27th May 2012, 09:29
As one of the " Mike App" appreciation society as i have stated, and without having any intention of getting into a discussion about it, having staed that my piont is valid then i would say that anyone would appreciate that a "management " does not consist of any one person and so it follows that more than one person was responsible for approving the use of the photos. I will not say any more on the matter, if Mike is on a well deserved holiday i hope he has a good time.

wardies love child
27th May 2012, 10:25
There'll be a lovely cool breeze in the stadium today. Shame games in Manchester in an enclosed sun trap.

doghead
27th May 2012, 10:26
Ah... :blush:

Don't want to sound too much like the Mike App appreciation society but judging by his Facebook pictures of the Yorkshire Dales, I think he may have been off last week. Hopefully you will get your response on Monday. :angel:

Had a response earlier in the week saying he was off till today I think.

stoneislander
27th May 2012, 17:06
we aint getting a fully clad stadium, the design wont take the weight aparently and we cant afford a partial rebuild , as bill gates once said .....life aint fair ,get used to it !

DD
27th May 2012, 17:07
we aint getting a fully clad stadium, the design wont take the weight aparently and we cant afford a partial rebuild , as bill gates once said .....life aint fair ,get used to it !

Doesn't mean to say that those at fault shouldn't get a damned good panning for it though.

Windle Lad
27th May 2012, 17:36
Doesn't mean to say that those at fault shouldn't get a damned good panning for it though.

Have to admit I am boring myself talking about it now and looks like the club aren't interested in discussing it with its fans. However I still am staggered that, accepting all the positives of achieving such a build in difficult financial times, we are left with a £30 million stadium (according to the club) which has some major fundamental issues. We kept being told all the way through that it is a design and build job etc. Question is did the designers speak to the builders and vice versa:\

Sadfish
29th May 2012, 12:15
well for a tenner you can ask the main man

http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2026

grahamk
29th May 2012, 15:47
well for a tenner you can ask the main man

http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2026

I bet the "First Team Player" is Lance!!!!!!!!

paulscnthorpe
6th June 2012, 12:09
See the wigan shirt video has surfaced on YouTube

http://www.code13rugbyleague.com/2012/06/06/video-emerges-of-wigan-shirt-burial-at-langtree-park/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

RedVee Admin
6th June 2012, 13:13
That's utter crap, that video. It's not buried at all. The shirt is laid on top of the concrete walkway and surrounded by a pile of dirt (so it's in it's usual environment).

saintlysid
7th June 2012, 21:20
The weather forecast for tommorow evening is for 42mph winds and thunderstorms late evening. It should be interesting to see if we stay dry, or will we have to go wading on the concourses again.

SElliott
7th June 2012, 22:16
ill dig my wellies out :P

jimmy h
7th June 2012, 22:20
if its good enough for the queen to get wet its good enough for us .

Agent Mulder
7th June 2012, 22:22
ill dig my wellies out :P

and your tin hat. lol

Southstandsaint
7th June 2012, 22:24
The weather forecast for tommorow evening is for 42mph winds and thunderstorms late evening. It should be interesting to see if we stay dry, or will we have to go wading on the concourses again.

To all going to the game tomorrow , bear in mind that if you try to get into the stadium with one of those non-retractable golfing style umbrellas , the stewards won't let you in with it !

rally
7th June 2012, 22:43
Best get my water proofs on tomorrow. It's going to be a wet one :)

wardies love child
7th June 2012, 23:14
ill dig my wellies out :P

Can't believe you put them away knowing all about the stadium problems regarding water ingress

SElliott
7th June 2012, 23:25
i was told the c******g would be up by the good friday game :O

oldun
7th June 2012, 23:33
Lets hope they have battened the roof down this time

RedVee Admin
7th June 2012, 23:34
The weather forecast for tommorow evening is for 42mph winds and thunderstorms late evening.

Really? Where?

http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/st-helens/wa10-1/evening-weather-forecast/330517?day=2

And to keep an eye on things as we get closer to game time:

http://www.raintoday.co.uk/

oldun
7th June 2012, 23:44
Or this one http://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/wa11_9eg

Village Saint
8th June 2012, 00:00
I'm as acclimatised in the North stand as David Attenborough is in the Arctic.

42mph thunderstorms...meh...too easy! I'm going in shorts and a vest to at least try and it a challenge!

Herman
8th June 2012, 08:59
The sooner we go back to playing in the summer the better as far as i'm concerned.

Reacher
8th June 2012, 15:30
These conditions are ridiculous. Summer rugby- laughable. If it were not for my ST, I would not be going tonight and even now am 50/50. Hasn't stopped raining for 2 days and blowing a gale. Time to freeze my nads off at the back of the North Stand and wade through puddles to get there.

Perhaps I have selective memories from being a kid, but where summers ever this bad? They are going worse every year

Salford Saint
8th June 2012, 15:40
My missus and child have decided not to attend this evening due to the weather so I now have 3 seats in which to sprawl myself out on and relax :awesome:

RedVee Admin
8th June 2012, 15:43
Exactly. And what the hell are Eamonn and the club doing about the climate? NOWT.

Sausalito
8th June 2012, 15:45
Get your winter woolies on, no problem..:wink:

ploughman
8th June 2012, 16:02
No such thing as bad weather,just inappropiate clothing

Talk some sense!
8th June 2012, 16:40
This would never have happened at KR!

Diva Saint
8th June 2012, 18:12
The sooner we go back to playing in the summer the better as far as i'm concerned.


:biggrin:

Diva Saint
8th June 2012, 18:13
Possibly the one chance to get there tonight whilst not working, and the weather puts paid to it. Ah well.

Agent Mulder
8th June 2012, 18:18
well I'm all ready for the North Stand tonight. Jeans, trainers, jumper, Saints top, waterproof jacket and gloves. See you all there. :)