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Agent Mulder
4th January 2012, 22:19
Was just thinking the same myself. In fact the wind seems worse tonight. I just hope no more has come loose.

Windle Lad
4th January 2012, 22:21
Interesting read re the cost/design of the roof etc (link taken off RLFANS). Didn't realise it came in at that price
http://www.in-cumbria.com/firm-completes-2m-contract-for-new-rugby-stadium-s-roof-1.898581?referrerPath=home

Last sentence that the firm specialise in designing and installing soffit systems is interesting as it is something which has been mentioned on here as a potential factor in exposing the outside edge of the roof to the elements.

Houghwood Saint
4th January 2012, 22:32
Was just thinking the same myself. In fact the wind seems worse tonight. I just hope no more has come loose.


Ive just logged on to say the very same thing!Its wild here in Billinge tonight,i hope they battened down any loose bits!

SaintPeter
4th January 2012, 22:40
Ive just logged on to say the very same thing!Its wild here in Billinge tonight,i hope they battened down any loose bits!

it is worse tonight and is still going to get worse.:(

RedVee Admin
5th January 2012, 00:18
According to the Telegraph yes we did.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/8991115/Two-dead-as-100mph-winds-batter-Britain.html

If you read the article it states Britain battered by hurricane force winds.The point I was making was Big winds (is that ok or do I need to consult the wind terminology guide book for correct definition) often cause damage , so people needed to calm down and wait for it to be fixed not get hysterical about things.

Didnt know admin would jump down my throat for getting wind speed wrong

Yeah just read that and not a whisper of St Helens (or anywhere remotely close to St Helens).

Yes, big winds damage stuff, I agree. But they were not big winds that damaged the stadium - they were regular winds. If the wind was so big the other night, why did nothing else nearby get damaged?

As I said at the time when I "jumped down your throat" - you are universally criticising people for posting tripe whilst doing it yourself.


ps - it's windier tonight.

lindylou_2006
5th January 2012, 07:46
Yeah just read that and not a whisper of St Helens (or anywhere remotely close to St Helens).

Yes, big winds damage stuff, I agree. But they were not big winds that damaged the stadium - they were regular winds. If the wind was so big the other night, why did nothing else nearby get damaged?

As I said at the time when I "jumped down your throat" - you are universally criticising people for posting tripe whilst doing it yourself.


ps - it's windier tonight.
I will trawl the internet for one that actually states the north west .I dont agree that they were regular winds.I think they were the type we see once every few years.Granted the roof should be able to cope with these conditions but I still stand by my opinion that everyone should not get hysterical over whys and wherefores and just sit back relax and let the contractors worry about what went wrong and work on a solution for it.

Bronco
5th January 2012, 08:49
Crosby recorded a wind speed of 70mph yesterday and according to the Beauford Wind Scale Huricane winds are above 64 knots or 73 mph, so while technically you are correct you are also (like me) pedantic. Anyway there is a very high probablity that gusts could have exceeded 64 knots

Bit of a difference between Crosby Beach (notorious for high wind) and urban St Helens..

Saint Ged
5th January 2012, 10:02
While everyone is mithering about other peoples problems, lets be serious, that damn wind has blown all the felt of my shed roof.

SaintPeter
5th January 2012, 10:07
While everyone is mithering about other peoples problems, lets be serious, that damn wind has blown all the felt of my shed roof.

Its also shredded two of our fences and blown my bin through the front fence.
I hope it hasnt done more damage to the stadium.
Anyone seen the stadium today? Whats the roof like?

Houghwood Saint
5th January 2012, 10:14
Its also shredded two of our fences and blown my bin through the front fence.
I hope it hasnt done more damage to the stadium.
Anyone seen the stadium today? Whats the roof like?

What roof?Its Widnes again this year!

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
5th January 2012, 10:36
Interesting read re the cost/design of the roof etc (link taken off RLFANS). Didn't realise it came in at that price
http://www.in-cumbria.com/firm-completes-2m-contract-for-new-rugby-stadium-s-roof-1.898581?referrerPath=home

Last sentence that the firm specialise in designing and installing soffit systems is interesting as it is something which has been mentioned on here as a potential factor in exposing the outside edge of the roof to the elements.

“The developer took a bit of a punt on us because we’re a relatively young company, so we’re delighted to have repaid their faith. The contract was worth £1.8m and we hope it can lead to more work for us. We are the preferred bidder for a new stadium in Aberdeen and I think we’ve got a good chance of getting that."

I hope the people from Aberdeen havent been watching events unfold in St Helens this week

SaintJ
5th January 2012, 11:26
Have been past the stadium this morning, damage seems just the same as it was before.

A friend of mine [who lives in Liverpool] was visiting a relative in St Helens Hospital on Tuesday afternoon. Said she couldn't believe how strong the wind was here, as it was nowhere near as strong in L'pool.
Another friend was in the town centre Tuesday pm, and she said that she couldn't stand up in places, and just had to stand still,or be blown over. Especially bad around the library.():)

Sausalito
5th January 2012, 11:33
Yeah just read that and not a whisper of St Helens (or anywhere remotely close to St Helens).

Yes, big winds damage stuff, I agree. But they were not big winds that damaged the stadium - they were regular winds. If the wind was so big the other night, why did nothing else nearby get damaged?

As I said at the time when I "jumped down your throat" - you are universally criticising people for posting tripe whilst doing it yourself.


ps - it's windier tonight.


Regular winds my backside, they were gale force winds approaching 70mph. Last night was slightly windier around 72mph.

Div
5th January 2012, 12:15
Regular winds my backside, they were gale force winds approaching 70mph. Last night was slightly windier around 72mph.

They were ' regular' in as far as we will see winds like that at some point in most years.

Scouse Don
5th January 2012, 12:20
I had terrible wind last night as well.

Dave01
5th January 2012, 12:55
Piece of mind ................................... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/16415996.stm

Game on!!!

RedVee Admin
5th January 2012, 13:05
Regular winds my backside

Didn't need to know that... :D

Seriously, I go out every morning on errands and the wind on Tuesday was less powerful than today. Tuesday it was in waves of relative calm followed by big gusts. Today it was consistently more powerful.

My belief that Tuesday was just regular still stands, when I woke up this morning one of my patio chairs was at the top of the garden and the pink bottle recycling bag had also been blown away from it's hidey hole and so I had milk bottles all over the garden too. None of that happened on Tuesday cos that was a normal windy day and to be expected on a regular basis during our normal winter.

I also stopped by the stadium. The damaged part was flapping a bit but not much. Insulation was still being blown away. Peasley Cross Lane is a mess of insulation with bits up in the trees and bushes. Got a pic too from Tesco car park, I'll throw it up soon.

paulscnthorpe
5th January 2012, 13:06
Yeah, if the winds were 'never seen before' then fair enough, but there quite common. Just drove past, looks like somebody's been at it with a giant tin opener

Albion
5th January 2012, 13:17
From twitter....

@WireLauren 'Winds have damaged parts of the Halliwell Jones roof. Part of Dallam Lane is closed whilst debris is removed and assessment is carried out'

and....

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/9455061.Road_closed_after_stadium_roof_damaged/?ref=twtrec

CHANNEL22
5th January 2012, 13:50
Yeah, if the winds were 'never seen before' then fair enough, but there quite common. Just drove past, looks like somebody's been at it with a giant tin opener

I didn't think you could see wind, only feel it:wink:

CHANNEL22
5th January 2012, 13:51
At Odsal the wind has done £100K of improvements

Albion
5th January 2012, 13:57
Seems that it's the away end that has taken the damage at the HJ...apparently the damaged part of the roof that came off landed on the pitch

doghead
5th January 2012, 14:01
From twitter....

@WireLauren 'Winds have damaged parts of the Halliwell Jones roof. Part of Dallam Lane is closed whilst debris is removed and assessment is carried out'

and....

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/9455061.Road_closed_after_stadium_roof_damaged/?ref=twtrec

You cant do owt nowadays without someone copying.

RedVee Admin
5th January 2012, 14:11
Typical green eyed wires

Sausalito
5th January 2012, 16:27
Didn't need to know that... :D

Seriously, I go out every morning on errands and the wind on Tuesday was less powerful than today. Tuesday it was in waves of relative calm followed by big gusts. Today it was consistently more powerful.

My belief that Tuesday was just regular still stands, when I woke up this morning one of my patio chairs was at the top of the garden and the pink bottle recycling bag had also been blown away from it's hidey hole and so I had milk bottles all over the garden too. None of that happened on Tuesday cos that was a normal windy day and to be expected on a regular basis during our normal winter.

I also stopped by the stadium. The damaged part was flapping a bit but not much. Insulation was still being blown away. Peasley Cross Lane is a mess of insulation with bits up in the trees and bushes. Got a pic too from Tesco car park, I'll throw it up soon.



http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/9449600.Storms_damage_Langtree_Park_roof/?ref=mr

Sean Day
5th January 2012, 18:41
So that's 3 sporting venues that we know of suffering damage, puts it in perspective a little bit more

Rogues Gallery
5th January 2012, 19:50
So that's 3 sporting venues that we know of suffering damage, puts it in perspective a little bit more

And I believe at least two of them were built/engineered by the same company.

Lex
5th January 2012, 20:11
And I believe at least two of them were built/engineered by the same company.

Would that be Meccano or Screwfix, Rogues ? !!!!!!!!!!

58er
5th January 2012, 20:23
Don't live too far from the stadium and it seems a lot worse tonight
ay by gum, when i were a lad........

Saintokell1974
5th January 2012, 21:18
“The developer took a bit of a punt on us because we’re a relatively young company, so we’re delighted to have repaid their faith. The contract was worth £1.8m and we hope it can lead to more work for us. We are the preferred bidder for a new stadium in Aberdeen and I think we’ve got a good chance of getting that."

I hope the people from Aberdeen havent been watching events unfold in St Helens this week

Weather seems to be significantly worse every time I have been near Aberdeen!!

djgazza
6th January 2012, 02:10
Two points:

Crosby is on the coast and therefore exposed to strong winds.

Why didn't anything else near LP have any damage?


Yes it did, quite a number of glass panels have been blown out of the roof in JKP's warehouse. And the external portaloo was blown over LOL

RedVee Admin
6th January 2012, 08:44
Were you on it at the time? :D

You should have posted on Tuesday: adds more perspective to the Langtree Park Tornado (that what I'm calling it now) and your info would have quietened down those people who were rattling on about wind speeds - people like me... ;)

KentishBarry
6th January 2012, 08:56
Hurricane Eamonn?

Saint Ged
6th January 2012, 09:28
Lets face it the Stadium has had a good test and it,s better for it to happen now.

Greg
6th January 2012, 14:55
I have just attempted to access CSPs website and it doesn't appear to exist yet or would appear to be in the stages of development on another link. This is a bit concerning as I would think that a firm that claims to be expanding so rapidly would have a website.
Would redvee if not the club consider emailing them for a clear and transparent answer as to the root cause of the roofing failure? In the interests of spectator confidence and the company's reputation I think this would be helpful.
I could do it personally but I think if the redvee or the club did it it would have more clout.
If the company are proactive rather than reactive I would imagine they would be keeping an eye on this forum and RLfans and be preparing a response.
Posted this on RL fans at first thinking I was on here. Doh!

Duke Eddington
6th January 2012, 15:13
Just driven past the ground and there is a group of workmen up on the roof. Hopefully it will be sorted soon!

RedVee Admin
6th January 2012, 15:21
Would redvee if not the club consider emailing them for a clear and transparent answer as to the root cause of the roofing failure? In the interests of spectator confidence and the company's reputation I think this would be helpful.
I could do it personally but I think if the redvee or the club did it it would have more clout.
I can see your reasoning but I don't believe it is in our remit to request that information.

I believe that we would be better lobbying the club to release a statement to reassure spectators, which details the cause and remedy.

Windle Lad
6th January 2012, 16:30
Just driven past the ground and there is a group of workmen up on the roof. Hopefully it will be sorted soon!

Was at Tescos just before dinner so had a look. At that point they seemed to just be tidying things up - taking off the mangled bits and securing the loose bits - didn't see any new going on, but doesn't look like they are hanging around sorting it which is good to see. Also had another nosy at the cafe bar - very nice indeed - looked ready to go though would hope some signage is going up somewhere to draw some attention to it. I am sure somebody mentioned it was opening this week but not seen anything official yet - hope they are planning washing those windows before they do.

Sadfish
6th January 2012, 16:35
Was at Tescos just before dinner so had a look. At that point they seemed to just be tidying things up - taking off the mangled bits and securing the loose bits - didn't see any new going on, but doesn't look like they are hanging around sorting it which is good to see. Also had another nosy at the cafe bar - very nice indeed - looked ready to go though would hope some signage is going up somewhere to draw some attention to it. I am sure somebody mentioned it was opening this week but not seen anything official yet - hope they are planning washing those windows before they do.

Was told 2nd Jan, clearly not the right day though.

Talk some sense!
6th January 2012, 16:44
I have just attempted to access CSPs website and it doesn't appear to exist yet or would appear to be in the stages of development on another link. This is a bit concerning as I would think that a firm that claims to be expanding so rapidly would have a website.
Would redvee if not the club consider emailing them for a clear and transparent answer as to the root cause of the roofing failure? In the interests of spectator confidence and the company's reputation I think this would be helpful.
I could do it personally but I think if the redvee or the club did it it would have more clout.
If the company are proactive rather than reactive I would imagine they would be keeping an eye on this forum and RLfans and be preparing a response.
Posted this on RL fans at first thinking I was on here. Doh!

I'm pretty sure you can expect the club to take care of that, please don't ring the club and ask them to find out what the problem is!

scousedave
6th January 2012, 17:53
Whats the cafe bar? Will it be like widnes with yearly subscription, wil it only be opem match days?

Saints-Crusaders
6th January 2012, 18:26
some pics of the roof....or lack of it.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/1bc62d29.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/290a52af.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/6f31c247.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/7d4e2a50.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/015ac4ae.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/e6871827.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/50ee2de5.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2005/ec474685.jpg

Sausalito
6th January 2012, 18:43
No wonder it blew off. it looks like the tin stuff the yanks use on their wrestling programmes. ;)

oldun
6th January 2012, 20:40
You could make a good few bean/pea cans out of that stuff no wonder the wind flipped it

Supersaint
6th January 2012, 20:58
Shame it didnt happen a couple of week ago, I needn't of bought any foil for the turkey.

Sausalito
6th January 2012, 21:46
Shame it didnt happen a couple of week ago, I needn't of bought any foil for the turkey.

B):smile:

scratch
6th January 2012, 22:23
Good pictures, but be careful not to give any ammo to gloating Pie & Wire fans.

Rogues Gallery
6th January 2012, 22:23
Shame it didnt happen a couple of week ago, I needn't of bought any foil for the turkey.

I've seen stronger condoms. :D

nlwsaint
6th January 2012, 22:29
I've seen stronger condoms. :D well it's a pity more pie eaters don't use them then

WidnesSaint
7th January 2012, 01:14
Whats the cafe bar? Will it be like widnes with yearly subscription, wil it only be opem match days?
The sports bar at Widnes is open every day and night so I am hoping ours will be the same. I don't see the point of a yearly subscription though.

djgazza
7th January 2012, 03:26
Were you on it at the time? :D

You should have posted on Tuesday: adds more perspective to the Langtree Park Tornado (that what I'm calling it now) and your info would have quietened down those people who were rattling on about wind speeds - people like me... ;)

No I wasn't, but if I was I would've shit myself LOL

Saints-Crusaders
7th January 2012, 11:15
Good pictures, but be careful not to give any ammo to gloating Pie & Wire fans.

Wire fans can hardly gloat after it happened to them a couple of days ago....and Wigan don't have a stadium of their own to worry about ;)

doghead
7th January 2012, 11:30
the roof has been patched up, will need lots more work doing for a finished job.

SaintPeter
7th January 2012, 12:38
the roof has been patched up, will need lots more work doing for a finished job.

I have just gone past and it wasnt crumpled like sc's pics but there is a huge hole still.

geordie_saint
7th January 2012, 12:42
Is there any parking available at the ground, especially for disabled people? I know Tesco will be out of bounds for parking but is there any truth that the town centre car parks will be open on matchdays?

Jamie's Boots
7th January 2012, 13:14
Is there any parking available at the ground, especially for disabled people?
Lots of disabled parking at the ground. For matches, though, I think you have to book a space? Not sure about that but the club will clear it up for you. I do know though that anybody can park at the ground on non-match days. And yes, the town centre car parks are open for match nights. The Council is still deciding on whether there will be a nominal charge!

I went up to the stadium today as I was signing up for the St Helens 10k run (brave or foolish I have yet to decide). From the perspective outside the stadium there are three holes: two big ones and a little one. Also, near the little one, the sky can be seen between some of the remaining sheets of aluminium. No work was being done on the roof itself, the holes are all still open, but there were some guys on the ground with little instruments and talking.

saintollie
7th January 2012, 13:31
Is there any parking available at the ground, especially for disabled people? I know Tesco will be out of bounds for parking but is there any truth that the town centre car parks will be open on matchdays?
from saints website
http://www.saintsrlfc.com/club/31

it also says that all disabled places have now been allocated, applications had to be in some time ago.

geordie_saint
7th January 2012, 14:52
Lots of disabled parking at the ground. For matches, though, I think you have to book a space? Not sure about that but the club will clear it up for you. I do know though that anybody can park at the ground on non-match days. And yes, the town centre car parks are open for match nights. The Council is still deciding on whether there will be a nominal charge!


Thanks for that.

RedVee Admin
7th January 2012, 15:06
there were some guys on the ground with little instruments and talking.

A tin whistle band discussing their next gig?

Jamie's Boots
7th January 2012, 15:18
A tin whistle band discussing their next gig?
'arf 'arf!

One guy had this little machine in his hand which he kept putting up in the air, looking at and then muttering to two other guys. I tried to earwig as I walked past but the wind blew their words clean away. Meanwhile, some of the remaining roof looked a little shakey!

wardies love child
7th January 2012, 16:35
It would be an anemometer. Tells them wind speed. They can only work in certain wind conditions with the cherry pickers. 27mph I think, been a while since I used one.

Sausalito
7th January 2012, 16:46
'arf 'arf!

One guy had this little machine in his hand which he kept putting up in the air, looking at and then muttering to two other guys. I tried to earwig as I walked past but the wind blew their words clean away. Meanwhile, some of the remaining roof looked a little shakey!

was it a light meter to see if it was too dark for play?? lol

Saint Ged
7th January 2012, 18:54
I imagine that the company that did the roof will have said lets go over all of it and cover all the angles, and the straight bits as well, before someone says it, because being a new company i wouln,t think they want this publicity, even though the conditions have been and still are awful.

Paul Newlove
7th January 2012, 23:36
It would be an anemometer. Tells them wind speed. They can only work in certain wind conditions with the cherry pickers. 27mph I think, been a while since I used one.

I wonder if a few of Meli's performances towards the end of last season could have been measured with one of those.:wink:

SaintTrotter
8th January 2012, 13:15
I was fortunate to be invited to a birthday bash at the LP Founders Bar last night. Excellent room, nice bar area and to top it off Tommy 'God' Martyn pulling pints and running the bar. Excellent night. The Founder Members will have a nice waterhole before the games. Once they get the walls decorated with past & present saints it will be an excellent bar and a good revenue stream for other functions other than games.

Jamie's Boots
8th January 2012, 15:55
It would be an anemometer. Tells them wind speed. They can only work in certain wind conditions with the cherry pickers. 27mph I think, been a while since I used one.
That would make sense. It was very blowy around the stadium yesterday. Thankfully the wind seems to have calmed down today. Hopefully it will be calm for the week ahead so that the repairs can be completed.

roy litherland
9th January 2012, 20:59
See theyv'e put the info signs with ref to parking up today.

Saintokell1974
9th January 2012, 21:22
See theyv'e put the info signs with ref to parking up today.

Live in woolyback Wirral- any chance someone can give me a heads up before Widnes game other than we think its TC car parks please?

Wirralsaintsfan
9th January 2012, 21:34
Live in woolyback Wirral- any chance someone can give me a heads up before Widnes game other than we think its TC car parks please?

Don't think there is any change of stance here, town centre car parks or find a little side street somewhere where there is no parking restrictions

Jamie's Boots
10th January 2012, 09:16
Live in woolyback Wirral- any chance someone can give me a heads up before Widnes game other than we think its TC car parks please?
Which way do you come into St Helens? And how well do you know St Helens?

doghead
10th January 2012, 15:12
The roof is all netted and a safety rail fitted ready for the repair, the new sheeting arrived as I was leaving.
Some of the Paragon porta cabins left this morning. The gas holder site looks to be getting quiet busy lifts going up and down several men on top, stinks of gas, very strong smell.

58er
10th January 2012, 18:09
0800111999:wink:

Sausalito
10th January 2012, 19:15
The roof is all netted and a safety rail fitted ready for the repair, the new sheeting arrived as I was leaving.
Some of the Paragon porta cabins left this morning. The gas holder site looks to be getting quiet busy lifts going up and down several men on top, stinks of gas, very strong smell.

I thought it was a gas holder??:wink:

Saintokell1974
10th January 2012, 21:50
Which way do you come into St Helens? And how well do you know St Helens?

Know St Helens well, and me dad knows it just about as good as anyone still living there now. Can come into town any which way best, can usually work me way round town anyway- most likely come in from the link as the new ground is immense rising light from the floor (urge any saints fan to try this route just for the memory- away fans may start to hate the sight of the lights tho when the see them and think of their last loss there???).

Saint Ged
12th January 2012, 10:01
Is it still there after last nights wind?.

Greengrass
12th January 2012, 10:42
Is it still there after last nights wind?.

Blimey are you still finishing off the leftover sprouts?

SElliott
12th January 2012, 13:39
have saints sorted out the roof yet? and well will the cladding be started???

Gruntfuttock
12th January 2012, 13:57
Roof Sorted

no news on cladding but they did say a few months back it might only be done for the early part of the season

http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/saints/news/9467987.Saints_target_10_000_season_ticket_sales/

100% referee!
12th January 2012, 16:28
yes but wembley is only 1mm thick and you don't c the roof being blown off there do u?
No wonder it blew off. it looks like the tin stuff the yanks use on their wrestling programmes. ;)

RedVee Admin
12th January 2012, 20:10
yes but wembley is only 1mm thick and you don't c the roof being blown off there do u?

There are no restrictions on how many characters you use in a post. Absolutely no need to abbreviate here.

djgazza
13th January 2012, 07:36
Roof is getting sorted they were working under floodlight (not Saints') last night when I finished work at 7pm

doghead
13th January 2012, 11:38
insulation being fitted via the roof this morning followed by the new sheeting, about a dozen on the job, and they are taking there time, a couple of men on each seperate job.

Saints-Crusaders
13th January 2012, 12:08
insulation being fitted via the roof this morning followed by the new sheeting, about a dozen on the job, and they are taking there time, a couple of men on each seperate job.


no pics for us ???? haha

doghead
13th January 2012, 15:20
no pics for us ???? haha

dont have your touch.

Geoggy
13th January 2012, 21:27
Few pics from founder members event today......http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a120-f887.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a140-b187.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a157-3078.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a16b-3b77.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a198-4297.jpg

Chris Saint
13th January 2012, 21:50
Few pics from founder members event today......http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a120-f887.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a140-b187.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a157-3078.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a16b-3b77.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-a198-4297.jpg


Love the bar signs, just hope they are out of yob reach!

cleigh74
13th January 2012, 21:56
Looking good... Do we know what all the bars are going to be named and which stands they are in??

nlwsaint
13th January 2012, 22:02
Looking good... Do we know what all the bars are going to be named and which stands they are in??

Off the top of my head, as well as the ones posted, there is Eddington bar (away end), Aussie saints bar, Kiwi saints bar, Murphys bar & Vols bar. Vols bar is in the away end (they said it was because it was less likely to damaged than any of the others there as he was respected by other clubs fans) & the others are dotted around the concourse.

cleigh74
13th January 2012, 22:07
Thanks nlw. How did the tour go? Im very jealous! Did have a tour a few weeks ago but it was all bare walls then and the bars where yet to be completed.

Geoggy
13th January 2012, 22:09
They also said the signs were hand painted by the guy who does the Robinsons pub signs - here is volls- http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-ab7f-367a.jpg

Geoggy
13th January 2012, 22:10
Oh and there is also a karalius bar in the south

Sausalito
13th January 2012, 22:11
They also said the signs were hand painted by the guy who does the Robinsons pub signs - here is volls- http://img.tapatalk.com/02dc2dac-ab7f-367a.jpg

my heart misses a beat whenever i see photos of him.

nlwsaint
13th January 2012, 22:27
Thanks nlw. How did the tour go? Im very jealous! Did have a tour a few weeks ago but it was all bare walls then and the bars where yet to be completed.
The tour was great. I'm really impressed with the facilities. The changing rooms are fantastic especially the warm up room (complete with the same "turf" as the widnes pitch). The corporate/hospitality facilities are great & I really hope the club make a lot of money from them. Love the murals all around the concourse & also in the corridors of the hospitality suites. The views from the disabled areas are fantastic. The whole stadium is very spacious & well laid out. The extra cladding should be starting in the next few weeks.

Windle Lad
14th January 2012, 11:34
Well impressed with the bar signs - very atmospheric. The internal fit-out really shows the benefits of owning your own stadium - goes up a notch evry time I see it.

Geoggy
14th January 2012, 11:49
Our tour guide sain the north definitely not being cladded - only the ends. To be honest i dont think the north needs it. The roof is much deeper over the north end. You kind of have to be in the stand to see what i mean

Village Saint
14th January 2012, 12:10
Our tour guide sain the north definitely not being cladded - only the ends. To be honest i dont think the north needs it. The roof is much deeper over the north end. You kind of have to be in the stand to see what i mean

Yeah I heard the North isn't gonna get cladded too which really annoys me to be honest!

Although as your stated its not as crucial as the East and West needing to be cladded, as that the main wind directions and the concourses are much shallower in East and West, I really feel disappointed and slightly neglected as a north stander.

The planning application was granted for North stand cladding too so it must be a decision by Saints to save money as the noth stand is the least visible to passers-by and away fans so maybe does not impact the image of both Saints and LP as much if it's incomplete due to Saints saving money!

Poor form Saints, really disappointed that the icing can't be put on what would be a great cake!

Geoggy
14th January 2012, 12:37
I really think it would only add aesthetics. It may be better for the pitch not to have cladding on one edge.

Sat in your nor stand seat there is a huge concrete platform behind you and then the centre part is cladded and the edges will be 20 to 30 feet behind you so no adverse weather implications.

Ill give you a wave from the fully cladded south stand ():)

I really cant see anyone being disappointed with Langree park. Having been around it yesterday i really cant wait to go back. And the saints gold is a good pint :0)

doghead
14th January 2012, 12:56
disappointed aint the word I would use if its true that the North stand isn't to be cladded, I would have thought there was enough evidence to suggest it did need cladding from the last time we where there, the North stand concourse was wet through, also reports of the North West corner seats being wet, both corners of the North stand are vulnerable to the weather.

DD
14th January 2012, 13:26
Our tour guide sain the north definitely not being cladded - only the ends. To be honest i dont think the north needs it. The roof is much deeper over the north end. You kind of have to be in the stand to see what i mean

Is it right though that those of us who have paid significantly more get worse facilities than the terraces? I know what I thought I was getting when I paid for my season ticket and I'm not.

Why is the South Stand getting significantly better facilities for the same price?

At the end of the day, they have moved the goalposts again without having the decency to inform anyone. That's Saints for you. Communication only comes when you give them a hypothetical Chinese Burn to force them to do so.

Village Saint
14th January 2012, 13:46
I really think it would only add aesthetics. It may be better for the pitch not to have cladding on one edge.

Sat in your nor stand seat there is a huge concrete platform behind you and then the centre part is cladded and the edges will be 20 to 30 feet behind you so no adverse weather implications.

Ill give you a wave from the fully cladded south stand ():)

I really cant see anyone being disappointed with Langree park. Having been around it yesterday i really cant wait to go back. And the saints gold is a good pint :0)

I agree it will mostly be aesthetics that a clad north stand will bring as when sat down like you said it won't make much of difference. When in the concourse though it can get wet if its raining and if it's high winds which does produce an issue!

This business of it being better for the pitch as more air can get to it as one side isn't clad is a load of nonsense, old Trafford is probably twice as high as LP and yet somehow the players at pitch level continue to breath and survive so I'm sure LP will be fine if the North was clad with 50% perforated cladding.

I am disappointed and feel a bit let down that LP won't be finished as it is excellent apart from this one issue!

Haha I'll give you a wave back.....all be it with a semi-closed fist!

Greengrass
14th January 2012, 13:57
my heart misses a beat whenever i see photos of him.

Have you tried cold showers.

doghead
14th January 2012, 14:15
Roof is getting sorted they were working under floodlight (not Saints') last night when I finished work at 7pm

they looked to be finishing up just before dinner, picking all the bits up, one bloke was brushing the roof, another must have spotted something, he got the welding gear out again, did a couple of quick spots, they were all over the roof giving it the last once over.

Agent Mulder
14th January 2012, 15:27
I too am or will be disappointed if there is no cladding on the North stand if only to protect the concourses. It was quite slippery in the wet areas at the open night. I've never complained about the cladding before but I think it should be all the way round. On the whole I get the impression that the West Stand has become like 'The Stand' the new Pop Side (not because of the cladding) where people think all the diehards and best supporters are and this is not so. I was a popsider at KR and I feel I am still one now as I shall be on the side in the North stand along with a lot of other popsiders from KR. (rant over)

southernsaint7
14th January 2012, 16:03
Is it right though that those of us who have paid significantly more get worse facilities than the terraces? I know what I thought I was getting when I paid for my season ticket and I'm not.

Why is the South Stand getting significantly better facilities for the same price?

At the end of the day, they have moved the goalposts again without having the decency to inform anyone. That's Saints for you. Communication only comes when you give them a hypothetical Chinese Burn to force them to do so.

there could of course be a perfectly legit reason or it could be something that will be done at a later date. Could be a financial reason in which case I don't think the club can be critisised quite so much. It would explain why they got planning for it all the way around for sure. I would agree with your point about communication of this info being disappointing though

Windle Lad
14th January 2012, 16:22
Reluctant to get into the cladding saga again, but have to say I agree completely with DD and Agent Mulder, and as a paying spectator I find the drip feeding of information like this (i.e. mentioned to other forum members during a tour) really irritating. Have to say I have really debated changing to the South stand over the las 3 months or so, but decided against it as it would be cladded and the atmosphere would be better (IMO). I now find out, only because I happen to read these forums, that the stand I have a 5year ticket in wont be cladded! If the reason is financial I can live with it being uncladded for now, but if it is for another reason it would be nice to hear it from the club directly.

As others have said, there is a little bit of feeling short changed, particulalry as it was the people buying 5 year tickets for the North who were showing commitment to the club (going to widnes etc) who seem to end up in the unfinished section (for want of a better expression) and particulalrly as the club decided to later cost the South Stand tickets at the same price. The reality is the weather does get it in and this is not surprising when you look at the picture taken from the gas tower which shows the gap between the wall and roof.

Before the "I can't believe people can moan..." comments come in I will say I have been looking forward to the stadium and the first game for what seems like an eternity now, but this has taken a little of the gloss off. The club know the comments that have been made about the cladding and the debate caused, so why they feel they will just casually mention the lack of cladding issue to a few people on a tour but not their 5yr ticket holders is beyond me- are they embarrassed, didn't think, not bothered or are we not getting the true picture - it would be nice to be told!! As above by AM -rant over!

Village Saint
14th January 2012, 16:28
I am still one now as I shall be on the side in the North stand along with a lot of other popsiders from KR. (rant over)

Seconded, I like to watch from half way as IMO you get the best view of the game! I don't care if i'm standing, sitting or hanging upside down from a pole half way is where the heart is ;)

Saint Ged
14th January 2012, 16:36
I agree with above and also in answer to the question about wether the fantastic signs are out of reach of idiotheads the answer is no.

doghead
14th January 2012, 16:52
Reluctant to get into the cladding saga again, but have to say I agree completely with DD and Agent Mulder, and as a paying spectator I find the drip feeding of information like this (i.e. mentioned to other forum members during a tour) really irritating. Have to say I have really debated changing to the South stand over the las 3 months or so, but decided against it as it would be cladded and the atmosphere would be better (IMO). I now find out, only because I happen to read these forums, that the stand I have a 5year ticket in wont be cladded! If the reason is financial I can live with it being uncladded for now, but if it is for another reason it would be nice to hear it from the club directly.

As others have said, there is a little bit of feeling short changed, particulalry as it was the people buying 5 year tickets for the North who were showing commitment to the club (going to widnes etc) who seem to end up in the unfinished section (for want of a better expression) and particulalrly as the club decided to later cost the South Stand tickets at the same price. The reality is the weather does get it in and this is not surprising when you look at the picture taken from the gas tower which shows the gap between the wall and roof.

Before the "I can't believe people can moan..." comments come in I will say I have been looking forward to the stadium and the first game for what seems like an eternity now, but this has taken a little of the gloss off. The club know the comments that have been made about the cladding and the debate caused, so why they feel they will just casually mention the lack of cladding issue to a few people on a tour but not their 5yr ticket holders is beyond me- are they embarrassed, didn't think, not bothered or are we not getting the true picture - it would be nice to be told!! As above by AM -rant over!

great post, covers all my thoughts on the matter.

doghead
14th January 2012, 16:55
I too am or will be disappointed if there is no cladding on the North stand if only to protect the concourses. It was quite slippery in the wet areas at the open night. I've never complained about the cladding before but I think it should be all the way round. On the whole I get the impression that the West Stand has become like 'The Stand' the new Pop Side (not because of the cladding) where people think all the diehards and best supporters are and this is not so. I was a popsider at KR and I feel I am still one now as I shall be on the side in the North stand along with a lot of other popsiders from KR. (rant over)

another good post, if its not done now, it never will be.

Lex
14th January 2012, 17:14
Im fully aware that people dont want another debate on the "C" subject. Same as Im aware, that some on here are very passionate about what was or was'nt said during the Founder Members Tour yesterday. Im not sure if Geoggy was on the same tour as me, which was at 3pm with John Murphy, but John actually stated that the North Stand was being (insert C word) around, upto and including the corners, but the centre section would be done at a later date, due to costs, but he never said it would be left "unfinished". I also asked the question regarding the location of flags, and he said that he is still to have a walk round the stadium with "the Red Vee member" and a 3rd party, but he said the biggest problem with the flags, was that they can't allow any signage to be covered by them.

nlwsaint
14th January 2012, 17:19
Our tour guide sain the north definitely not being cladded - only the ends. To be honest i dont think the north needs it. The roof is much deeper over the north end. You kind of have to be in the stand to see what i mean

What time was your tour & who was it with? I was on the 6pm tour & we were told that they were starting on the cladding of the North stand hopefully next couple of weeks & the only part that wasn't being cladded (due to financial restraints) was the East stand. There will still be a 4mtr gap at the top of the cladding due to the structure & to let the pitch breath. He even showed us up to which point the cladding would end & said it would keep out the rain/wind in the concourse & stand which they knew was a problem at the moment.

Geoggy
14th January 2012, 17:31
I was on the same tour as Lex with the Chairmaker from rlfans at 3

Cladding gate rolls on!

doghead
14th January 2012, 17:44
would want to get anybody in trouble, so withdrawn my post.

Geoggy
14th January 2012, 17:53
Me too

Saint
14th January 2012, 20:14
The whole cladding situation is embarrassing.

Saints can get indignant about people wanting to talk about it, but ultimately it's their own lack of any clear communication that is making people curious.

It will be cladded. It won't be cladded. It will be cladded only up to the corners. It will be cladded all the way round except corners. It will be cladded except the North Stand.

Jaysus Christ. And Eamonn gets upset with people talking about it? Any sense of clear direction and communication on the issue would STOP people talking about it.

If the North Stand remains as it is, I'll be embarrassed. The stadium simply looks half-finished and it's a massive shame given how good everything else looks. Floating halo indeed :(

I'd rather 4 flatpack stands completed, to be honest.

Saint Simon
14th January 2012, 20:28
The whole cladding situation is embarrassing.

Saints can get indignant about people wanting to talk about it, but ultimately it's their own lack of any clear communication that is making people curious.

It will be cladded. It won't be cladded. It will be cladded only up to the corners. It will be cladded all the way round except corners. It will be cladded except the North Stand.

Jaysus Christ. And Eamonn gets upset with people talking about it? Any sense of clear direction and communication on the issue would STOP people talking about it.

If the North Stand remains as it is, I'll be embarrassed. The stadium simply looks half-finished and it's a massive shame given how good everything else looks. Floating halo indeed :(

I'd rather 4 flatpack stands completed, to be honest.
golly gosh, grab reality bud!
I was (as were many) at the open traing session in the north stand in that hailstorm and it was completely wind and rain and hail free. It was much warmer than widnes, let alone KR! some people (not just yourself) need to get agrip and realise how lucky we are to have what we now do!

Windle Lad
14th January 2012, 20:34
If the North Stand remains as it is, I'll be embarrassed. The stadium simply looks half-finished and it's a massive shame given how good everything else looks. Floating halo indeed

Having read Chair Maker's comments on RLFans he seems to suggest that the fact that the North stand wont be cladded came straight from the Chairman.

Saint Rigby
14th January 2012, 21:16
The 'C' word has been the really disapointing part of the whole lead up to our new stadium! And its not our (the fans) fault to keep mentioning it. We all saw the plans and artist impressions back at KR when they had the open days, and i remember along with other people being told it will be the best ground in RL and what will make it more special is the atmosphere as it will be fully enclosed, and the artist impression did back this up. So in theory they have miss led us (or have they)?? Nobody knows!!!! Come on Saints give a statement and tell us fans what is going on sothis whole issue can go to bed. :D

doghead
14th January 2012, 22:54
golly gosh, grab reality bud!
I was (as were many) at the open traing session in the north stand in that hailstorm and it was completely wind and rain and hail free. It was much warmer than widnes, let alone KR! some people (not just yourself) need to get agrip and realise how lucky we are to have what we now do!

Well I was there, and there was a gale blowing through the concourse, it was wet through for 30 yards, and rain had reached the seating. I checked it out.

doghead
14th January 2012, 23:01
Having read Chair Maker's comments on RLFans he seems to suggest that the fact that the North stand wont be cladded came straight from the Chairman.
I was told tonight from a different source more or less the same thing.

Sausalito
14th January 2012, 23:37
Have you tried cold showers.

No, but i saw a lot of teams who looked as though they had. :wink:

Windle Lad
14th January 2012, 23:37
golly gosh, grab reality bud!
I was (as were many) at the open traing session in the north stand in that hailstorm and it was completely wind and rain and hail free. It was much warmer than widnes, let alone KR! some people (not just yourself) need to get agrip and realise how lucky we are to have what we now do!

As opposed to published video footage and photos which show otherwise.

Saint
14th January 2012, 23:51
golly gosh, grab reality bud!
I was (as were many) at the open traing session in the north stand in that hailstorm and it was completely wind and rain and hail free. It was much warmer than widnes, let alone KR! some people (not just yourself) need to get agrip and realise how lucky we are to have what we now do!

I was also at the open training session in the north stand and no, it wasn't wind and rain and hail free but that's beside the point.

Do you think the North Stand looks good as it is?

I think it looks half completed.

As I said in my original post, 4 flatpack stands would be better than what we've ended up with.

Dynamite Don Brennan
15th January 2012, 05:49
I was also at the open training session in the north stand and no, it wasn't wind and rain and hail free but that's beside the point.

Do you think the North Stand looks good as it is?

I think it looks half completed.

As I said in my original post, 4 flatpack stands would be better than what we've ended up with.


Would it ****.

Sadfish
15th January 2012, 07:15
would it ****.

post of the week!!!!

scousedave
15th January 2012, 09:44
In all honesty i wouldnt clad any of it, 100k is a lot of money to waste for 20 weeks a year........if were lucky, money that coukd be spent elswhere

paulscnthorpe
15th January 2012, 10:31
The North Stand seating was fine, however the concourse was soaking for about twenty yards upto the wall. So anybody wanting a pint or a wee would have to walk 'under the stands' I suspect if you were having a drink before the match in the concourse, you stand a chance of getting rained on.

I know somebody who believes saints can do no wrong will say, 'well don't go for a pint then'

Lord Lucan
15th January 2012, 10:44
My tour was at 19:30 and we were given a welcome chat by Mr Big in front of a large picture of KC. The original pictures of Kevin Ward, Voll and Coslett had been added to and as we walked round we saw Huddart, Karalius, Long, Newlove and Sculthorpe. The pictures are fantastic and certainly add to the ambience of the concourse. Mr Big also alluded to the addition of the original 17 legends with Eric Chisnall, Harry Pinner and Steve Prescott taking the total to 20. He also said he hoped that eventually up to 42 pictures would be displayed.

The concourse would look great but my concern would be at the away end - would they be vandalised. The pictures at this end could be St Helens born players who have given great service to RL, an example being Eric Ashton. What say you?

RedVee Admin
15th January 2012, 11:13
Gary Connolly?

Samba
15th January 2012, 11:15
So what we have so far is something like this:

Post 1095 - tour guide says north stand will not be cladded, only the ends will be
Post 1110 - tour guide (3pm) says north stand will be cladded, but centre section only at later date (note - even though the centre section is already completely cladded)
Post 1111 - tour guide (6pm) says east stand will be the only part that wasn't going to be cladded.

So, we have 3 tour guides giving 3 entirely different stories!!!! We can hardly debate the issue if we don't know what we're debating.

Sausalito
15th January 2012, 11:37
In other words, the guides know as much as us.:oops:

Saint Rigby
15th January 2012, 12:59
In other words, the guides know as much as us.:oops:

Like i said in a few comments back, the only way to settle the issue is for Saints to do the right thing and give a official club statement on the matter!!!

DD
15th January 2012, 15:06
Like i said in a few comments back, the only way to settle the issue is for Saints to do the right thing and give a official club statement on the matter!!!

You've got more chance of fertilising your lawn with rocking horse sh1t.

Wirralsaintsfan
15th January 2012, 15:21
I thought Mike Appleton made an announcement on the Club's site back at the time that the remainder would be cladded because of the number of questions raised, once the planning permission had been granted. Of course it could have changed again since then.

DD
15th January 2012, 15:25
Having read Chair Maker's comments on RLFans he seems to suggest that the fact that the North stand wont be cladded came straight from the Chairman.

I had a text from our friend that also suggested that he had been told this in a conversation with the chairman.

I know people are going to slate me for being disappointed with this whole deal but that isn't going to change my opinion.

The fact is that none of the original design drawings that were made public showed the outside of the ground looking like a half finished job. The only outside views showed super-dooper fully cladded exteriors. So whether it was designed to fully-clad or not, in my opinion, the information released was misleading. Whether that was deliberately planned or not, I'm not able to say. What I can say is that we were rushed into picking North Stand season tickets on the basis that all the best seats would be gone if we didn't hurry up but no-one had the decency to tell us that the North Stand would end up a vastly inferior product than the South Stand despite being the same price.

At the end of the day, if someone promises you £20,000 and you get £15,000 then you are disappointed. If they promise you £10,000 and you get £10,000 then you are happier. The end amount may be less but what you never expected to get doesn't hurt you when it doesn't eventually arrive.

If Saints had come out in the first place and been honest; if they had shown us elevations showing three stands with no cladding then it would have been accepted and we'd have simply been happy with having a new ground. It's the kind of amateurish, bumbling PR disaster that this club has almost copyrighted over the years.

If you don't want people to be disappointed with the end product then don't tell them you are going to give them a full dinner suit then only give them the shirt and trousers.

Geoggy
15th January 2012, 16:13
If you are that disappointed then why not take it up with the club? There may be a mutual solution you can come to?

Blobbynator
15th January 2012, 16:45
Having already been in my seat in the North Stand the lack of cladding doesn't make a difference as the the depth of the stand is huge and is split with the raised platform behind the stand and the large concourse. The concourse is absolutely huge so I doubt you'll get rained on unless you're nearer the turnstiles part of the concourse.

But, I find it really strange that they're only cladding the two ends. It'll look strange and it is a bit unfair on those in the North Stand that they won't be fully protected from the elements like the rest of the ground. It also looks unfinished from the outside. Unless it's for financial reasons, I find this decision extremely bizarre.

DD
15th January 2012, 17:06
If you are that disappointed then why not take it up with the club? There may be a mutual solution you can come to?

It isn't possible to have a mutual solution. It's either done or it's not. They either communicate or they don't. They either show you the full SP at the initial design or they don't.

Jamie's Boots
15th January 2012, 17:08
So long as the rain is kept away from the concourses - the corners were a real wet mess on the night of the open training session - I don't care anymore about the cladding. I am using the stadium as part of my 'training' (ha!) for the 10k run and each time I go up there I am reminded of what a fantastic place it is. Not just the building itself but the surroundings. It's superb.

DD
15th January 2012, 17:09
So long as the rain is kept away from the concourses - the corners were a real wet mess on the night of the open training session - I don't care anymore about the cladding.

Bit contradictory that isn't it? ;)

Jamie's Boots
15th January 2012, 17:21
Bit contradictory that isn't it? ;)
Probably! But I don't care about the look of the place anymore is what I meant. They could leave the West, East and North Stands all uncladded for mine but those corners really do need something as they were sopping wet and a big fat damages claim waiting to happen.

Lex
15th January 2012, 17:21
Having already been in my seat in the North Stand the lack of cladding doesn't make a difference as the the depth of the stand is huge and is split with the raised platform behind the stand and the large concourse. The concourse is absolutely huge so I doubt you'll get rained on unless you're nearer the turnstiles part of the concourse.

But, I find it really strange that they're only cladding the two ends. It'll look strange and it is a bit unfair on those in the North Stand that they won't be fully protected from the elements like the rest of the ground. It also looks unfinished from the outside. Unless it's for financial reasons, I find this decision extremely bizarre.

So you agree with John Murphy from the tour on friday, that the centre is not cladded ? I ask this, because Samba in post 1130 states that it is, and I know from sitting there a few weeks back, and walking round on friday, that it is'nt.

wardies love child
15th January 2012, 18:10
Tbh I'd be more worried being sat on front row or even first few. After the training session some of the front looked soaked. Half way up the away end was soaked which in all honesty made me smile. How ever the rain can be driven in any direction

Back to the point though, when given pictures and plans etc of what we will expect I expect it to be similar. Abit like the bridge maybe. Not quite the artists impression but structurally probably as close as possible.
However the north stand issue and the ticket advertising marketing early doors has led many to buy seat where now in hindsight may not have done and the last stand to sell is probably the best stand to be in possibly.
I'd say it's good marketing and others would say they were misled.
Glad I went wide to west.

Geoggy
15th January 2012, 18:12
It isn't possible to have a mutual solution. It's either done or it's not. They either communicate or they don't. They either show you the full SP at the initial design or they don't.

If your gripe is individual, then there may be a solution.

If it is collective, then maybe not.

dr death
15th January 2012, 18:18
I agree entirely with the comments from DD and Blobby.
If it is true that the North Stand will remain uncladded I will be very disappointed.
As someone who bought a five-year ticket for the NS as soon as they went on sale I feel cheated and short-changed compared to my fully-cladded colleagues in the South Stand.
If the NS concourse is open to the elements, I'll think twice about having a pint there (in winter at least) and will probably restrict my pre-match refreshments to the pub.
During windy / rainy weather I would think that a wet concourse would cause significant H&S problems.

Saint Ged
15th January 2012, 19:08
I posted what seems like months ago now that looking at it from Peasley Cross, which as i said is the first impession people get, it does not look good and if that isn,t soiling the ship for a ha,porth of tar i do not know what is.

SaintPeter
15th January 2012, 19:37
I posted what seems like months ago now that looking at it from Peasley Cross, which as i said is the first impession people get, it does not look good and if that isn,t soiling the ship for a ha,porth of tar i do not know what is.

my sister seen it the other week for the first time and she said it's not finished.

Says it all she seen it from the bus.

Rob_SaintsFan07
15th January 2012, 20:04
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robhughes90/sets/72157628884189367/

Few pictures from the founding members tour

And to add to the Cladding Gate, on the 6pm tour the fella was saying the west would be done......and should have started last week. The north has been postponed due to finance. I think as soon as that is in place it will be carried out. I can understand them starting in the west as it would join with the original cladding. There is no plan to afford the east yet from my understanding.....let the away fans suffer the longest im guessing.

Anyway enjoy the pictures.

Saintokell1974
15th January 2012, 20:46
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robhughes90/sets/72157628884189367/

Few pictures from the founding members tour

And to add to the Cladding Gate, on the 6pm tour the fella was saying the west would be done......and should have started last week. The north has been postponed due to finance. I think as soon as that is in place it will be carried out. I can understand them starting in the west as it would join with the original cladding. There is no plan to afford the east yet from my understanding.....let the away fans suffer the longest im guessing.

Anyway enjoy the pictures.

Thanks for the pictures again and remember........


Its only 5 more sleeps.....

Samba
15th January 2012, 21:07
So you agree with John Murphy from the tour on friday, that the centre is not cladded ? I ask this, because Samba in post 1130 states that it is, and I know from sitting there a few weeks back, and walking round on friday, that it is'nt.

Then I suggest you look at the first page of this thread, post 4. Between 7.15 and 7.27 of the middle video you'll see the 'futuristic brickwork'. No matter how you want to describe that red bricked area in the CENTRE of the north stand, it is a form of cladding (ie enclosing the outer expanse of wall), and if present along the whole of the east, west and north stands it would keep us ALL DRY!!!!!!!!

Lex
15th January 2012, 21:25
Then I suggest you look at the first page of this thread, post 4. Between 7.15 and 7.27 of the middle video you'll see the 'futuristic brickwork'. No matter how you want to describe that red bricked area in the CENTRE of the north stand, it is a form of cladding (ie enclosing the outer expanse of wall), and if present along the whole of the east, west and north stands it would keep us ALL DRY!!!!!!!!

I was'nt having a go, what I was trying to explain, was the fact that the Saints Rep on the day stated it will only be enclosed in time, due to financial restraints. The only thing I can think of that is causing confusion, is something that was mentioned earlier. When you go past the stadium from the rear of the North Stand it looks unfinished, and that is what John Murphy was referring too. By finishing the area in time, he means that you will not be able to see inside the stadium from the outside. I agree with what you say about the Red Bricked area, but in all honesty, I dont think that was the issue with the earlier posters, who were also on the Tour on friday.

Harri81
15th January 2012, 21:43
It's a shame that the cladding is an issue, our seats in the north stand are perfect, however the concourse area was soaking when it rained with large puddles, going for a drink in bad weather may as well be outside rather than in the ground.

It's a pitty that such a new and fantastic looking stadium looks incomplete at certain angles, and you have more comfort going for a drink during bad weather in much older stadiums such as widnes, wigan, Warrington, etc.

Saint Ged
16th January 2012, 09:38
I was on the tour on Friday and was favourably impressed with the inside BUT on the concourse it was,nt very good , it had not rained that day and so i would have expected it be free of water but there were puddles but the stadium is fantasticapart from that. I will repeat though what i said ages ago, stand on the opposite side of Peasley Cross road and just look across at it and it looks like a steel works or sme kind of industrial building and that is the first thing that people see.

Sausalito
16th January 2012, 10:51
There are some bloody moaners on here. :hm:

Saint Ged
16th January 2012, 11:05
I am not moaning i am being realistic, i waited till i thought someone else would mention it, notice i said i was pleased, but this is what people are going to see has as been mentioned off a bus and then they are going to go around telling people what they have told "st peter" i repeat why spoil a fantastic ship for a ha,porth of tar,i think it is great but i have not got blinkers on, just go and stand on the pavement opposite the stadium on Peasley Cross Lane and have a look with the eyes of someone who is not a Saints fanatic.

OsborneSaint
16th January 2012, 11:11
So here are my Founder Member pics from Friday for what it's worth. Mostly the same as previous posters but hey.

http://s939.photobucket.com/albums/ad239/JonBellard/

The tour was very good and I too was very impressed with what I saw. I can't believe people are still moaning about what we have currently. The thing we need to remember is that this is still unfinished to what the club wanted.

Some interesting points that were raised from the tour.

- The Cladding issue, on our tour the guy from marketing mentioned that both West and East stands would be clad three quarters up. The north stand doesn't need it for the time being and may get it in the future.

- All Exec boxes sold for the forthcoming season with sponsors such as, Hattons, Some car dealers, Magners, John Smiths etc....

- The premier lounge will be sponsored by Vauxhall.

- The perimeter of the pitch will have the electronic advertising boards.

- The club are looking to get a video screen for none televised games.

The Surveyor
16th January 2012, 11:12
I have done and this is the response I received...




We’re not making any comment on the cladding situation until the roof is fixed.

Hope you are well.

Mike Appleton
Media Manager

iwonthebomb
16th January 2012, 11:18
Right, I've not commented on the cladding issue yet, but here goes!

I had a tour of the stadium a few weeks ago now and was told then that the plan is to do the full clad (as per the plans that were released a few months ago). The bidding process had started then and work would start in the middle of January. It wouldn't be finished by the start of the season but the plan was to get it finished as soon as possible.

I've been thinking about it and, actually, it's not too disimilar to Huddersfield inasmuch as you go throught he turnstiles in the open air and then go into the stands in an uncladded stadium. It kind of works I suppose. However, I really think that it needs to be done. Some areas were really wet at the open training session and it isn't good for a new, state of the art, stadium. I accept that it will take time, and that's absolutely fine, but it does need to be done.

The stadium is spectacular as it is, but it would be a shame if it were left as it is. Attention to detail matters and this detail is an issue I think.

The Surveyor
16th January 2012, 11:19
If you are that disappointed then why not take it up with the club? There may be a mutual solution you can come to?




I have done and this is the response I received...




We’re not making any comment on the cladding situation until the roof is fixed.

Hope you are well.

Mike Appleton
Media Manager

Saint
16th January 2012, 11:24
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/electrogen/1-3.jpg

The original plans clearly show the North Stand to be cladded so hopefully this is a storm in a teacup.

If anyone thinks the overall look of the otherwise fantastic ground isnt badly let down by this issue then you only need to see the below picture.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377249_2522158006811_1039164237_32715427_162410598 8_n.jpg

SaintJ
16th January 2012, 11:30
Anyone notice that Dougie Greenalls name is spelt wrongly on the wall pic? Have spelt it Dougie GreenHall.:angel:

Also his first name is Dougie, not Duggie [according to Wikipaedia].

SaintJ
16th January 2012, 11:38
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/electrogen/1-3.jpg

The original plans clearly show the North Stand to be cladded so hopefully this is a storm in a teacup.

If anyone thinks the overall look of the otherwise fantastic ground isnt badly let down by this issue then you only need to see the below picture.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377249_2522158006811_1039164237_32715427_162410598 8_n.jpg

Totatally agree artist impression is much,much better than the reality.():)

Saint Ged
16th January 2012, 12:12
Just what i have said, from that view opposite Peasley Cross lane, that bottom picture is what people see, everyone is not a Saints fanatic but they can all see that.

Sadfish
16th January 2012, 12:52
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/electrogen/1-3.jpg

The original plans clearly show the North Stand to be cladded so hopefully this is a storm in a teacup.

If anyone thinks the overall look of the otherwise fantastic ground isnt badly let down by this issue then you only need to see the below picture.



But that bottom pic is an update not the original, none the less the plans are there for totally cladded with the odd slightly lower areas here and there. Still just cos its in the plans or signed off by planning doesn't mean its going to be done.... yet.......

FearTheVee
16th January 2012, 13:02
If anyone thinks the overall look of the otherwise fantastic ground isnt badly let down by this issue then you only need to see the below picture.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377249_2522158006811_1039164237_32715427_162410598 8_n.jpg

Yeah, looks really shoddy doesn't it . . . . must just be me who thinks the ground looks brilliant :\

It's a wonderful ground and if part of it isn't to be clad there is a reason, be it structural or financial. Whatever the reason, we can't or won't do it so perhaps we all stop banging on about what might have been in a head in the clouds ideal world, and get on with enjoying what is a tremendous facility built in the real world.

Saint
16th January 2012, 14:11
Yeah, looks really shoddy doesn't it . . . . must just be me who thinks the ground looks brilliant :\

It's a wonderful ground and if part of it isn't to be clad there is a reason, be it structural or financial. Whatever the reason, we can't or won't do it so perhaps we all stop banging on about what might have been in a head in the clouds ideal world, and get on with enjoying what is a tremendous facility built in the real world.

I appreciate that there's going to be some people who think this way, but I honestly do not understand how expecting a ground to be fully enclosed (as it was advertised) is 'head in the clouds ideal world.' A few sheets of perforated metal is unrealistic? I save my 'head in the clouds' times for dreaming about Saints winning Grand Finals or me winning the lottery!

It's an absolutely fantastic arena in every other respect except this one small issue, so you - and the club - can surely understand peoples frustration.

It looks half-finished, there's no getting round that, it's a relatively small issue that is undermining the whole aesthetics of the place from the outside. It's also a problem on a practical level because the concourses ARE going to get wet and slippy when it rains, it's really as simple as that.

With all that said, Saints are obviously going to be making a statement on this eventually. If it is just a matter of finance and they need to wait X amount of time before they finish it off then I'll support that. It's the misinformation and rumour that irritates me.

Windle Lad
16th January 2012, 14:23
I have done and this is the response I received...




We’re not making any comment on the cladding situation until the roof is fixed.

Hope you are well.

Mike Appleton
Media Manager

But they already have - just not to everybody! Unless forum posters on here all imagined they heard it mentioned at the Founder Members do.

Talk some sense!
16th January 2012, 14:32
Forgive me if i'm wrong but the additional cladding is an extra over and as such the cost was on top of that already allocated to the build. So we needed to come up with the cash to get teh work done. If it really is as simple as that then perhaps the money made from this weeks opener will be utilised? I know it's not as simple as that with cashflow etc but there must be a good chunk of profit made this week that could maybe be used for the additional cladding.

I know there are all kinds of reasons for this not to be the case, but who knows the success of this fixture in terms of gate attendance may have had a bearing on how much of the cladding could be done and how soon it could be done?

Just a thought

volls_dad
16th January 2012, 15:59
Yeah, looks really shoddy doesn't it . . . . must just be me who thinks the ground looks brilliant :\

It's a wonderful ground and if part of it isn't to be clad there is a reason, be it structural or financial. Whatever the reason, we can't or won't do it so perhaps we all stop banging on about what might have been in a head in the clouds ideal world, and get on with enjoying what is a tremendous facility built in the real world.


Like some others on here, I've tried to avoid joining in the "C" debate but it needs to be said that this isn't just a matter of aesthetics - I'm in the centre of the North Stand and from what I saw on the open night I'm going to be dry and comfortable whatever the weather (unless the roof blows off) and I wouldn't be bothered if there is never any additional cladding installed in the central area, but the pics of the ground from the Peasley Cross Lane side show just how open the NE (and presumably also the NW) corners are - leaving aside the question of the concourse being wet and potentially dangerous in bad weather, just imagine sitting at the eastern or western end of the North stand with the wind howling and rain blowing in - and you can't move because the stand is full - it's just like the main stand at Knowsley Road being built without sides on in 1958 (it wasn't, was it?). It can't have been intended that paying customers could be subjected to these conditions in a brand new stadium (and I know that anyone sitting in the front rows are likely to get wet when it rains, but anyone buying those seats would have known what to expect, disregarding cladding!!) - it's not wanting an unrealistic "ideal world" to expect to be dry at a state of the art stadium in 2012.......

Samba
16th January 2012, 18:45
Like some others on here, I've tried to avoid joining in the "C" debate but it needs to be said that this isn't just a matter of aesthetics - I'm in the centre of the North Stand and from what I saw on the open night I'm going to be dry and comfortable whatever the weather (unless the roof blows off) and I wouldn't be bothered if there is never any additional cladding installed in the central area, but the pics of the ground from the Peasley Cross Lane side show just how open the NE (and presumably also the NW) corners are - leaving aside the question of the concourse being wet and potentially dangerous in bad weather, just imagine sitting at the eastern or western end of the North stand with the wind howling and rain blowing in - and you can't move because the stand is full - it's just like the main stand at Knowsley Road being built without sides on in 1958 (it wasn't, was it?). It can't have been intended that paying customers could be subjected to these conditions in a brand new stadium (and I know that anyone sitting in the front rows are likely to get wet when it rains, but anyone buying those seats would have known what to expect, disregarding cladding!!) - it's not wanting an unrealistic "ideal world" to expect to be dry at a state of the art stadium in 2012.......

3 words come to mind with this post - HIT.......NAIL......HEAD (it really isn't rocket science, is it? We are in the 21st century, aren't we?)

paulscnthorpe
16th January 2012, 19:03
I think people accept if they're on the first three or four rows, they'll possibly get rained on in wind. I think people don't expect to be rained on from the rear.

FWIW, I'll be in the north, my seat will be fine, but the concourse worries me

Blobbynator
16th January 2012, 19:11
I thought they were the amended plans? I specifically remember the cladding all around the ground but it would be perforated in the North, West and East and wouldn't cover the corners due to potential issues with wind resistance.

Harri81
16th January 2012, 19:17
I think people accept if they're on the first three or four rows, they'll possibly get rained on in wind. I think people don't expect to be rained on from the rear.

FWIW, I'll be in the north, my seat will be fine, but the concourse worries me

This is my point exactly, the stand and seats are fantastic, but the concourse during rain gets flooded and this isnt ideal, and surely has to be a hazard underfoot, on the training evening a few people where slipping on the floor as they walked around.

DD
16th January 2012, 19:19
Like some others on here, I've tried to avoid joining in the "C" debate but it needs to be said that this isn't just a matter of aesthetics - I'm in the centre of the North Stand and from what I saw on the open night I'm going to be dry and comfortable whatever the weather (unless the roof blows off) and I wouldn't be bothered if there is never any additional cladding installed in the central area, but the pics of the ground from the Peasley Cross Lane side show just how open the NE (and presumably also the NW) corners are - leaving aside the question of the concourse being wet and potentially dangerous in bad weather, just imagine sitting at the eastern or western end of the North stand with the wind howling and rain blowing in - and you can't move because the stand is full - it's just like the main stand at Knowsley Road being built without sides on in 1958 (it wasn't, was it?). It can't have been intended that paying customers could be subjected to these conditions in a brand new stadium (and I know that anyone sitting in the front rows are likely to get wet when it rains, but anyone buying those seats would have known what to expect, disregarding cladding!!) - it's not wanting an unrealistic "ideal world" to expect to be dry at a state of the art stadium in 2012.......

Bob on and my real hope is that there is a howling gale and heavy rain on Friday to prove the point. Left open to the elements the concourses are not only going to be a health and safety issue (and I haven't seen whether the concrete has been float finished here, which could make it an absolute nightmare when wet) but it's going to look absolutely filthy and totally unappealing, and it will put people off going down there at half time to buy food, drinks etc.

Again though, it's the fact that we hear information second and third hand that really gets people's backs up. How difficult is it to say what they are doing, what they are not doing and then explain the reasons for it? I'm getting the impression that they get some kind of perverse pleasure out of making everyone speculate and getting fans to fall out with each other over it.

SaintJ
16th January 2012, 19:23
Am sure the plans we were shown at KR [RIP], when we signed up to 5yr season tickets, showed the whole stadium c------.:angel:

Harri81
16th January 2012, 19:30
Am sure the plans we were shown at KR [RIP], when we signed up to 5yr season tickets, showed the whole stadium c------.:angel:

I have the same feeling hence my selection on stand.

RedVee Admin
16th January 2012, 20:03
How difficult is it to say what they are doing, what they are not doing and then explain the reasons for it?
Have you asked?

Bainsey
16th January 2012, 20:24
Should he have to? It was made clear enough the last time cladding was an issue (pre planning) that if any future problems occurred with the addition of extra cladding surely the paying public will want to know? Common courtesy I think it's called?

scousedave
16th January 2012, 20:47
Im in the north stand,somwhere in th "A" i honestly couldnt giv a monkeys chuff if its clad or not

DD
16th January 2012, 20:54
Im in the north stand,somwhere in th "A" i honestly couldnt giv a monkeys chuff if its clad or not

Excellent. If you get soaked or fall over on the concourse then don't come running to us!

DD
16th January 2012, 20:54
Should he have to? It was made clear enough the last time cladding was an issue (pre planning) that if any future problems occurred with the addition of extra cladding surely the paying public will want to know? Common courtesy I think it's called?

Precisely sir.

Saint Simon
16th January 2012, 21:10
personally, i love the stadium as it is, however i can see peoples veiw as its not what was shown to me when i signed up to 5 yrs either. On the training night, my seat in the north was warm(ish) and dry, as were the areas around the bars and refreshment areas, thats all i ask

volls_dad
16th January 2012, 21:20
Am sure the plans we were shown at KR [RIP], when we signed up to 5yr season tickets, showed the whole stadium c------.:angel:

The artists impressions that I saw all gave the impression that the stadium was to be fully cladded, but.......

When the detailed plans were first posted on the Council Planning website the elevation drawings showed that there would be no cladding - I noticed this at the time and thought that because there seemed to be a lot of people far more knowledgable than me making comments about the stadium plans on here and nobody had raised the lack of cladding that I must be misreading the plans - also I couldn't imagine that anyone could possibly propose to build a stadium open to the elements at the back and sides! A few months later when the sh*t hit the fan I felt like a tool for not raising the issue at the time and I didn't own up to my stupidity! Enough of my confessions - the point is that the original detailed plans showed no cladding - it was clearly never intended at the outset, although all the "marketing" stuff suggested a fully cladded stadium. I'd give Saints the benefit of the doubt in that they maybe expected that the roof overhang would keep the seats dry (although not the concourse given that it was originally intended to have a chain-link fence, or something similar). As I said in my earlier post, I'm not expecting to have any problem where I'm sitting, but I'd be pretty upset if I was sitting in one of end sections.

scousedave
16th January 2012, 22:01
We have stood in a demolition site for the last 20yrs,we'v****ed against walls drank beer from a warm can, so are we really that bothered about a bit of wet that may or may not be on the floor when we go for a pint, it might never rain on a home game for all we know. for those moaning about pics, and artists impressions i say this
it says waterfields on the back of some busses, but you cant get a pie off the driver!

bring_back_the_biff
16th January 2012, 22:14
The artists impressions that I saw all gave the impression that the stadium was to be fully cladded, but.......

When the detailed plans were first posted on the Council Planning website the elevation drawings showed that there would be no cladding - I noticed this at the time and thought that because there seemed to be a lot of people far more knowledgable than me making comments about the stadium plans on here and nobody had raised the lack of cladding that I must be misreading the plans - also I couldn't imagine that anyone could possibly propose to build a stadium open to the elements at the back and sides! A few months later when the sh*t hit the fan I felt like a tool for not raising the issue at the time and I didn't own up to my stupidity! Enough of my confessions - the point is that the original detailed plans showed no cladding.

This is correct, I saved the plans onto my laptop at the time to show some friends who hadn't seen the designs.

Harri81
16th January 2012, 22:15
We have stood in a demolition site for the last 20yrs,we'v****ed against walls drank beer from a warm can, so are we really that bothered about a bit of wet that may or may not be on the floor when we go for a pint, it might never rain on a home game for all we know. for those moaning about pics, and artists impressions i say this
it says waterfields on the back of some busses, but you cant get a pie off the driver!

This is a very good point, however from a much long anticipated and multi million pound stadium you'd expect it to be virtually perfect rather than one issue that does in some lights let it down a little.

Lex
16th January 2012, 22:16
We have stood in a demolition site for the last 20yrs,we'v****ed against walls drank beer from a warm can, so are we really that bothered about a bit of wet that may or may not be on the floor when we go for a pint, it might never rain on a home game for all we know. for those moaning about pics, and artists impressions i say this
it says waterfields on the back of some busses, but you cant get a pie off the driver!

No you dont get a pie from the driver, but nor does the bus advertise you can. But the plans and quotes regards the stadium stated different than is currently being put before us. And yes you are correct about what we have put up with for decades, but surely, we all want the stadium to look like the plans, after all this time waiting, that's not too much to ask for, is it ?

RV12
16th January 2012, 22:19
The lack of cladding is very disappointing and gives the stadium an unfinished look, particularly from Peasley Cross Lane. My main concern is how open the stadium is in parts, could be very cold in there in the winter months. Some more communication and clarity from the club wouldn't be helpful too.

Apart from the cladding issue, we should still be thankful for all the clubs hard work in delivering the club and town a fantastic stadium for a fantastic team.

Saint Simon
16th January 2012, 22:21
No you dont get a pie from the driver, but nor does the bus advertise you can. But the plans and quotes regards the stadium stated different than is currently being put before us. And yes you are correct about what we have put up with for decades, but surely, we all want the stadium to look like the plans, after all this time waiting, that's not too much to ask for, is it ?
an artists impression is just that, not a final design. like the difference between an estimate and a quote

doghead
16th January 2012, 22:37
Just been and ordered a new gate for our yard, the firm I went to spent several weeks working on the concourse of the North stand, the boss said it was like a wind tunnel it just sucks the rain into the concourse, he also went on about the use of local firms, wasn't very happy about that either.

reliable sauce
16th January 2012, 22:59
Oh shut up.

I am more than happy with the stadium.
And we need to stop moaning about how it could have been better and get on supporting the team!

Cannot wait for the Widness match.
COYS

Saint Simon
16th January 2012, 23:29
Oh shut up.

I am more than happy with the stadium.
And we need to stop moaning about how it could have been better and get on supporting the team!

Cannot wait for the Widness match.
COYS

Seconded!

RedVee Admin
17th January 2012, 00:34
Should he have to? It was made clear enough the last time cladding was an issue (pre planning) that if any future problems occurred with the addition of extra cladding surely the paying public will want to know? Common courtesy I think it's called?

If I were told of something, then later I had reason to doubt the information, rather than gesticulating furiously whilst demanding courtesy yet actually doing nothing about it, I'd ASK.

Geoggy
17th January 2012, 08:11
It's far easier just to moan on here about it RVA

scousedave
17th January 2012, 08:51
Im getting the feeling that a lot of posters dont like it because it "LOOKS" un finished! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! i think its beautiful, i love all the steel on show, and how many have actually approached the stadium when the flood lights are on? not pictures! actually been their? with all the light comming through the steel, the brilliant light, the shaddows...........aw man she's a work of art.

Windle Lad
17th January 2012, 09:17
Im getting the feeling that a lot of posters dont like it because it "LOOKS" un finished! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! i think its beautiful, i love all the steel on show, and how many have actually approached the stadium when the lood lights are on? not pictures! actually been their? with all the light comming through the steel, the brilliant light, the shaddows...........aw man she's a work of art.


I agree with a lot of this, but we now know that when it rains the edges of the North Stand ,adjacent terracing and concourses get wet. As has been said above the stadium was not designed with cladding, but the club put out a statement saying it had become obvious that this was needed and submitted plans for cladding (as above). Though why a designer didn't forsee this problem especially with an oval roof where the overhang is considerably less on the edges is somewhat surprising.

We now await a statement from the club on why and if this situation has changed. Before Friday would be nice, because if it pees it down on Friday I am sure there will be a few more comments flying in especially as unlike the training event a lot of the seats are now occupied.

Saint Ged
17th January 2012, 10:35
I mentioned months ago what the stadium, whichas someone who went to the other place for nearly 60yrs knows all the problems with the old place,but if i was someone who was being talked into advertising on the new place and i had stood opposite the new stadium on Peasley Cross Lane,well i might just think to myself if i am going to be advertising on something that looks like a steel stockholders yard or an industrial unit, i may as well go and advertise on something else it might give a better impression. Anyone who disagrees with what i have just put go and stand opposite the stadium on Peasley Cross Lane and then tell me i am wrong, as some one posted earlier they where told by someone who had seen it from a bus they did not think it was finished, i think that is being nice, i posted all this months ago and i wonder if the bigwigs have been and looked from across the road at Peasley Cross Lane.

Saintokell1974
17th January 2012, 10:44
Im in the north stand,somwhere in th "A" i honestly couldnt giv a monkeys chuff if its clad or not

My lot are near the front under the T and I agree. Think they might find H&S issues in concourse though- maybe they could 'roof' the concourse to keep the halo effect? Personally didn't affect me on ST night and won't in general but friday will possibly give the ok for full house signs to start going up if they clear the ramp up and there are no issues with concourses?

Saintokell1974
17th January 2012, 10:45
I mentioned months ago what the stadium, whichas someone who went to the other place for nearly 60yrs knows all the problems with the old place,but if i was someone who was being talked into advertising on the new place and i had stood opposite the new stadium on Peasley Cross Lane,well i might just think to myself if i am going to be advertising on something that looks like a steel stockholders yard or an industrial unit, i may as well go and advertise on something else it might give a better impression. Anyone who disagrees with what i have just put go and stand opposite the stadium on Peasley Cross Lane and then tell me i am wrong, as some one posted earlier they where told by someone who had seen it from a bus they did not think it was finished, i think that is being nice, i posted all this months ago and i wonder if the bigwigs have been and looked from across the road at Peasley Cross Lane.

Wonder if they could sort advertising on outside to pay for it?

paulscnthorpe
17th January 2012, 11:03
We have stood in a demolition site for the last 20yrs,we'v****ed against walls drank beer from a warm can, so are we really that bothered about a bit of wet that may or may not be on the floor when we go for a pint, it might never rain on a home game for all we know. for those moaning about pics, and artists impressions i say this
it says waterfields on the back of some busses, but you cant get a pie off the driver!

If you traded in a T Reg fiesta, and bought a brand new Audi which had a leather trim in the brochure, with a cd player, alloy wheeles, and then when you got it, it was fabric, no alloys and a radio. You go to the dealer, and he says "well you've been driving around in an old banger, you should be grateful" you'd see your arse, quite rightly.

The fact is the concourse in the north stand was soaking on the training night. We were told it would be cladded of sorts, hopefully before the season. Now we hear third hand it may not be the case. I like many, knowing the full facts would've ordered tickets in the south. There's 13 of us, so a simple change isn't that straightforward

The Surveyor
17th January 2012, 11:13
Im getting the feeling that a lot of posters dont like it because it "LOOKS" un finished! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! i think its beautiful, i love all the steel on show, and how many have actually approached the stadium when the flood lights are on? not pictures! actually been their? with all the light comming through the steel, the brilliant light, the shaddows...........aw man she's a work of art.

Looks stunning from the south and from the sky but from the east it looks plain ugly !

grahamk
17th January 2012, 11:25
Am sure the plans we were shown at KR [RIP], when we signed up to 5yr season tickets, showed the whole stadium c------.:angel:
Yes these were actual plans and on that basis we also signed up for 5 yrs. Concourse felt dangerously slippy on practise night. Agree with many posters here, cannot understand why club does not come out with a clear factual statement explaining exactly what is still to do with an approx time frame. This would surely allay any and all doubts and fears and let us get on with enjoying 2012 to the full, unless of course they are waiting for H&S outcome first?

Harri81
17th January 2012, 11:42
If you traded in a T Reg fiesta, and bought a brand new Audi which had a leather trim in the brochure, with a cd player, alloy wheeles, and then when you got it, it was fabric, no alloys and a radio. You go to the dealer, and he says "well you've been driving around in an old banger, you should be grateful" you'd see your arse, quite rightly.

The fact is the concourse in the north stand was soaking on the training night. We were told it would be cladded of sorts, hopefully before the season. Now we hear third hand it may not be the case. I like many, knowing the full facts would've ordered tickets in the south. There's 13 of us, so a simple change isn't that straightforward


Well said.

Village Saint
17th January 2012, 12:28
If you traded in a T Reg fiesta, and bought a brand new Audi which had a leather trim in the brochure, with a cd player, alloy wheeles, and then when you got it, it was fabric, no alloys and a radio. You go to the dealer, and he says "well you've been driving around in an old banger, you should be grateful" you'd see your arse, quite rightly.

The fact is the concourse in the north stand was soaking on the training night. We were told it would be cladded of sorts, hopefully before the season. Now we hear third hand it may not be the case. I like many, knowing the full facts would've ordered tickets in the south. There's 13 of us, so a simple change isn't that straightforward

Couldn't have put it better, its a shame this issue couldn't have been more transparent from the start instead of drip feeding us info here and there!

Bostik Bailey
17th January 2012, 12:35
I have it on very good aurthority that the cladding is all down the the saints managment. When the new stadium was taking shape they quickly realised that it was fantastic and the best stadium in the total sport of rugby. But this would cause a problem, what with this being St. Helens the fans would have nothing to moan about, so some bright spark sugguested that we delay the cladding so that the gerneral populus of the town would be happy moaning, otherwise they would only find little things to moan about like the quality of the tables in the bar, the fact that the lights in the toilet only turn on after a second or so etc, and that woudln't realy satisfy the professional St.Helens moaners.

paulscnthorpe
17th January 2012, 13:01
I think the consensus, is moaning about the tables is pretty ridiculous. What is annoying people is the complete lack of communication.

When the stadium was announced, the plans showed fully clad, people raced to get the best seats in the north stand, they were advised the south would mostly be corporate, and tickets weren't available for that stand (possibly it was suggested they'd be more expensive)

As the stadium grew, more concerns were made about the obvious lack of cladding.

Around December it was announced that the rest of the stadium would be 'semi clad' hopefully before the start of the season.

Now we're hearing from three independent people, it'll only be the saints end.

If the club came out with a definitive statement, we'd have a moan, then move on, but all the speculation is making it worse.

As I've said, I'll be fine in my seat, but god help those in the bottom corner of the saints end

Geoggy
17th January 2012, 13:06
forecast for Friday is rain all day and 6 degrees

So concourses will be "interesting" again.

Village Saint
17th January 2012, 13:25
Side note about the concourses, I think the swing signs for the separate bars look absolutly top notch. Seriously a real classy touch from Saints there and as far as I am aware the first stadium in the universe to do so :D Can't wait for Friday

COYS

Wallasey Saint
17th January 2012, 14:53
I think the consensus, is moaning about the tables is pretty ridiculous. What is annoying people is the complete lack of communication.

When the stadium was announced, the plans showed fully clad, people raced to get the best seats in the north stand, they were advised the south would mostly be corporate, and tickets weren't available for that stand (possibly it was suggested they'd be more expensive)

As the stadium grew, more concerns were made about the obvious lack of cladding.

Around December it was announced that the rest of the stadium would be 'semi clad' hopefully before the start of the season.

Now we're hearing from three independent people, it'll only be the saints end.

If the club came out with a definitive statement, we'd have a moan, then move on, but all the speculation is making it worse.

As I've said, I'll be fine in my seat, but god help those in the bottom corner of the saints end

I agree, it's the lack of communication from Saints that's annoying the fans.
North Stand is where the weather comes in from, especially early in the Season & needs cladding, & the concourse was wet & slippery at the ST event. I can see someone will slip on the concourse & end up putting a claim against Saints

Albion
17th January 2012, 17:17
I actually can't believe the amount of moaning that has gone on here. People are moaning about something they do not know for definite is happening, it's all speculation. Speculation doesn't mean it will happen, it's just what someone has mentioned and they have taken that 3rd hand story to be gospel truth. What has been said and spread about could be true, but also it could just be exaggerated as it has spread. No one on here knows what exactly will happen for definite, so why moan about it?

There will be a reason why Saints have not announced anything yet, otherwise they would have, so lets (try at least) wait for an announcement before declaring how s*it the club is or how they don't look after fans or the other endless insults people throw at the club.

I live near the stadium so have seen it rise up and I've been to the test event, IMO I can't really see what everyone thinks this cladding will actually do. I am a ST holder in the West and it just felt like any other stadium to me, it absolutely chucked it down at the training event and the concourse got wet but is that really such an issue? The open style will be great in the summer (we do play in the summer lets not forget) but when it does rain it won't be as bad as people are making it out to be.

It doesn't look 'terrible' from the ground, I think the elevated picture makes it look bad, but who is actually going to see it from that perspective?

I don't think it's an issue that will make me any less proud of the stadium that we have finally built.

FearTheVee
17th January 2012, 17:44
It doesn't look 'terrible' from the ground, I think the elevated picture makes it look bad, but who is actually going to see it from that perspective?

Exactly - people saying "this is the view from PX lane" are talking nonsense unless they arrive at games by helicopter or they are the BFG standing on the shoulders of the Jolly Green Giant hanging half way up Jack's beanstalk.

DD
17th January 2012, 18:38
I actually can't believe the amount of moaning that has gone on here. People are moaning about something they do not know for definite is happening, it's all speculation. Speculation doesn't mean it will happen, it's just what someone has mentioned and they have taken that 3rd hand story to be gospel truth. What has been said and spread about could be true, but also it could just be exaggerated as it has spread. No one on here knows what exactly will happen for definite, so why moan about it?

The moaning has come about because we have spent £1,000 of our money on a five year deal for a stand that it would appear is going to be nothing like as good as it was promised when we purchased them, and certainly not as good as the South Stand which we have subsequently found out to be the same price. Had any of us known we would have opted for the South Stand. Alas all the club seemed to be interested in was quick sales, and I can't help but feel we have bought these seats under false pretences.

By all accounts the information that the North Stand will not be clad came from right up top unless one of my esteemed colleague is a liar and he's not.



There will be a reason why Saints have not announced anything yet, otherwise they would have, so lets (try at least) wait for an announcement before declaring how s*it the club is or how they don't look after fans or the other endless insults people throw at the club.
Trouble is there is a long and chequered history of information being kept from us if it's something that we are not going to like or they think we won't like, so it's only to be expected that people will assume the worst. In reality, whilst we wouldn't like to hear the news of the North Stand not being enclosed, it's better than not finding out and subsequently resigning ourselves to it after months and months of inactivity. We'd have a moan for a few days then we'd move on.

The delay (or absence) of information inevitably leads to speculation. Smart people move to end speculation. Like with this whole project, people have been left to guess and then the 'I'm happy to take anything I'm given' brigade take umbridge with the 'I'll be happy if I was given what I was told I was going to be given' brigade.



I live near the stadium so have seen it rise up and I've been to the test event, IMO I can't really see what everyone thinks this cladding will actually do. I am a ST holder in the West and it just felt like any other stadium to me, it absolutely chucked it down at the training event and the concourse got wet but is that really such an issue? The open style will be great in the summer (we do play in the summer lets not forget) but when it does rain it won't be as bad as people are making it out to be.

What will it do? How many pages of discussion do you need? Aesthetically it will make it look significantly better (in most contributors opinions it would seem) but also it makes for a significantly more comfortable place to enjoy your evening. You might be happy walking through puddles to the refreshment bars and toliets. You might even take the occasional slip on your backside as an occupational hazard. You may be happy having to wear a sowester sat in the corner blocks of the stand but I expected a lot better from a new stadium. You name me one decent stadium built in the last ten years where the facilities the stand provides are not protected from the elements? As for summer, well, if I want a spot of sun in the summer I would have thought the actual seats would be best as, facing the north, the concourse won't see a spot of sunlight all year.




It doesn't look 'terrible' from the ground, I think the elevated picture makes it look bad, but who is actually going to see it from that perspective?


Terrible? No! Unfinished? Yes!

Saint Ged
17th January 2012, 19:00
You don,t have to stand on the shoulders of the Jolly Green Giant or come inby helicopter, one of the posters on here told you that his sister had gone past on a bus up Peasley Cross Lane, get that!, a bus and she who had no axe to grind told him she didn,t think it looked finished.

Blobbynator
17th January 2012, 19:08
I think the consensus, is moaning about the tables is pretty ridiculous. What is annoying people is the complete lack of communication.

When the stadium was announced, the plans showed fully clad, people raced to get the best seats in the north stand, they were advised the south would mostly be corporate, and tickets weren't available for that stand (possibly it was suggested they'd be more expensive)

As the stadium grew, more concerns were made about the obvious lack of cladding.

Around December it was announced that the rest of the stadium would be 'semi clad' hopefully before the start of the season.

Now we're hearing from three independent people, it'll only be the saints end.

If the club came out with a definitive statement, we'd have a moan, then move on, but all the speculation is making it worse.

As I've said, I'll be fine in my seat, but god help those in the bottom corner of the saints end

I think that pretty much sums it up in a nutshell.

Dom McCormack
17th January 2012, 19:57
I'll try and sum up my feelings about the whole saga. Its quite simple really... "typical Saints".

Albion
17th January 2012, 20:09
By all accounts the information that the North Stand will not be clad came from right up top unless one of my esteemed colleague is a liar and he's not.

Where did I say 'the person is a liar'? I didn't.

When someone tells you what they've heard, 7 times out of 10 something will either be missed out or exaggerated - that was my point. At no point did I say that it's a blatant lie did I?


You might be happy walking through puddles to the refreshment bars and toliets. You might even take the occasional slip on your backside as an occupational hazard. You may be happy having to wear a sowester sat in the corner blocks of the stand but I expected a lot better from a new stadium.



Firstly the weather at the training session was terrible, yet I don't recall walking through any major puddles to the toilet and there has been no reports that anyone slipped on that night.

It seems you aren't best pleased (possibly an understatement) but cladding is not life and death, it would be nice but it is not necessary IMO.

Bostik Bailey
17th January 2012, 20:23
You know what every body is right The new ground is an unfinished dump and Knowsley Road was far better at least the stand was fully enclosed.

steve
17th January 2012, 21:35
This thread is decending into a farce. I also have spent £1000 on my 5 year ticket in the North Stand yet dont give a stuff that it MIGHT be wet on the concorse. My seat will be dry I will be able to watch my rugby in comfort. Those of you complaining - get a life. this is the best thing to happen to the club in the 41 years I have been watching the team. Can we PLEASE move on to the important stuff which begins on Friday COYS.

Saint Simon
17th January 2012, 21:36
you can see the east stand from peasley cross rd, but how anyone can see the north stand is beyond me, by the time it comes into veiw you've got st.helens retail park in the way

cement city saint
17th January 2012, 22:03
Stop moaning will you all, go stand at Bradfords super stadium if our new ground is that bad... moaned about knowsley road moan about Langtree park and we havent even played a game in it yet. Thank god im just looking forward to standing on the west terrace friday night looking round and thinking " WOW" ENJOY UR NIGHT OR DONT YOU MOANERS

Herman
17th January 2012, 22:53
I quite like the look of the East Stand from Peasley Cross Lane.

saint mac
17th January 2012, 23:45
So do I.Infact I love it from every angle I have seen it from.
I quite like the look of the East Stand from Peasley Cross Lane.

The Surveyor
18th January 2012, 10:03
I'll try and sum up my feelings about the whole saga. Its quite simple really... "typical Saints".

Spot on.

Talk some sense!
18th January 2012, 11:14
Am I right in thinking that different guides for these tours gave differing information on the cladding? That's at least the impression I get.

We've heard nothing definitive to date from the club apart from the initial statement regarding the resubmitted plans for additional cladding and so part of me thinks it's premature to be jumping up and down and lambasting the club for something that may not actually be true. We know there has been an issue with the roof that will no doubt have delayed the clad as I suspect as part of the re-testing of the roof the cladding would have to be re-evaluated due to the effect it may or may not have on the roof post and pre clad.

Until the club tells us that the cladding isn't actually happening then we have to assume that it is, if/when we do find that out then by all means raise complaints to the relevant people but lets wait and see what actually happens, otherwise we run the risk of a chinese whispers type effect and that's not ideal for anybody.

I'll just point out that I have no problems or issues with people not being happy about what the end product is but it just seems that nobody knows for definite yet what that is.

scousedave
18th January 2012, 12:14
otherwise we run the risk of a chinese whispers type effect and that's not ideal for anybody.



Exactly! purple monkey dishwasher!

fishy3005
18th January 2012, 12:19
does anyone know if the south west corner family block is cladded? ta

Saint
18th January 2012, 12:26
Am I right in thinking that different guides for these tours gave differing information on the cladding? That's at least the impression I get.

We've heard nothing definitive to date from the club apart from the initial statement regarding the resubmitted plans for additional cladding and so part of me thinks it's premature to be jumping up and down and lambasting the club for something that may not actually be true. We know there has been an issue with the roof that will no doubt have delayed the clad as I suspect as part of the re-testing of the roof the cladding would have to be re-evaluated due to the effect it may or may not have on the roof post and pre clad.

Until the club tells us that the cladding isn't actually happening then we have to assume that it is, if/when we do find that out then by all means raise complaints to the relevant people but lets wait and see what actually happens, otherwise we run the risk of a chinese whispers type effect and that's not ideal for anybody.

I'll just point out that I have no problems or issues with people not being happy about what the end product is but it just seems that nobody knows for definite yet what that is.

The lack of communication from the club is exactly why people have got the hump over this. I agree with the genuine thrust of what you're saying but Saints as a business know their customers are concerned about this issue and are choosing, for god knows what reason, to just leave the elephant in the room. And apparently they're "sick of talking about it" as per the chairman's comment and a few similar comments on the club's social media feeds - the truth is, they've never officially talked about it!

What sort of business leaves customers to speculate and guess on stuff like this, while drip-feeding conflicting information through various unofficial sources? I'd understand if they'd misjudged public feeling about this and thought people weren't interested, but clearly they're getting their ears chewed off about it and just choosing to stay silent on it anyway. Maybe our next marketing campaign should be, 'New Stadium, Same Old Saints.'

An early clarification of exactly what the situation was, would have saved us all the bother of taking valuable time to post stuff like this on a messageboard.

Talk some sense!
18th January 2012, 12:41
The lack of communication from the club is exactly why people have got the hump over this. I agree with the genuine thrust of what you're saying but Saints as a business know their customers are concerned about this issue and are choosing, for god knows what reason, to just leave the elephant in the room. And apparently they're "sick of talking about it" as per the chairman's comment and a few similar comments on the club's social media feeds - the truth is, they've never officially talked about it!

What sort of business leaves customers to speculate and guess on stuff like this, while drip-feeding conflicting information through various unofficial sources? I'd understand if they'd misjudged public feeling about this and thought people weren't interested, but clearly they're getting their ears chewed off about it and just choosing to stay silent on it anyway. Maybe our next marketing campaign should be, 'New Stadium, Same Old Saints.'

An early clarification of exactly what the situation was, would have saved us all the bother of taking valuable time to post stuff like this on a messageboard.


I can see the point but the club has already said that they are planning to clad the stadium and if as may be the case that hasn't changed then they'd not need to release any statement to say that their original statement still stands. Maybe the club feel there is nothing to clarify as they have already explained what is happening, they of course cannot release statements to address each and every rumour that may appear on an internet forum.

Maybe there is to be an ammendment to what they have previously told us but I don't for one second believe fans are being kept in the dark for any underhand reason on this. The fact the media manager said they'd be making no statement until the roof issue was resolved to me does suggest there is something that is being investigated but perhaps the club don't know yet what they can and dan't do after the roof damage - and as far as they are concerned they're looking into the situation and will let us know once they know i when the roof ing issue is resolved.

I can understand both sides to an extent and maybe it's naive of me to look at it this way but until I hear differently from an official source I will continue to work on the basis that the last club statement is still current. If something changes that i'm then not happy with then i'll be one of the first to raise my complaint with the club if I felt that was necessary but until we know what is happening it's just speculation.

EDIT:the bolded bit, the club have i'm sure communicated with us to let us know there would be additional cladding so it's unfair to say they haven't said anything at all.

Sean Day
18th January 2012, 12:45
Assuming that it isn't resolved - personally it will not affect me in my position in the North Stand. I'm not too fussed about the concourse situation or the aesthetics either. However, I would be seriously fuming if I had a seat on the fringes where I could get wet through, especially if I'd shelled out thousands on 5 year season tickets for a family believing I would be 'undercover' and protected from the elements. It is completely out of order.

Samba
18th January 2012, 13:02
[QUOTE=Talk some sense!;399289]Am I right in thinking that different guides for these tours gave differing information on the cladding? That's at least the impression I get.

Yes it seems this was the case. See post #130.

fishy3005
18th January 2012, 13:03
mcmanus and co have worked for years to make the new stadium happen. i've no doubt that they (more than anyone else!!) want the new place to be nothing less than perfect!! but hey, s**t happens and it looks as if we won't have a fully clad stadium for the start of the season.
im sure they are fully aware of everybodys dissapointment and will do all they can to get it sorted as soon as humanly possible

paulscnthorpe
18th January 2012, 13:05
mcmanus and co have worked for years to make the new stadium happen. i've no doubt that they (more than anyone else!!) want the new place to be nothing less than perfect!! but hey, s**t happens and it looks as if we won't have a fully clad stadium for the start of the season.
im sure they are fully aware of everybodys dissapointment and will do all they can to get it sorted as soon as humanly possible

Which if that's the case, come out and say it, people would moan for a few days, then move on. As was the case before Christmas.

Official tour guides, giving out unofficial news has kicked this off

doghead
18th January 2012, 14:23
they have just errected permanent "match day" traffic lights outside the stadium on PX lane, either side of the steps, looks to be four lights in each corner, 10ft high by 4 ft x 4 ft. must be to stop the traffic after the match.

Saints-Crusaders
18th January 2012, 15:18
just thought I'd add some pics of the west concourse

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/1a95ccaf.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/9c6774f8.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/26f0b4c6.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/5df2a839.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/83e09f55.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/0a50df8e.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/Langtree%20Park%2006/b7ce178e.jpg

Windle Lad
18th January 2012, 15:23
Where did I put my wellies?

Love that picture of Joynty.

Talk some sense!
18th January 2012, 15:37
It does look great with those legends images, and before it gets out of hand - nobody has said the west stand isn't being cladded so the water albeit unsightly for now is an issue that is being resolved! ;)

E Saint
18th January 2012, 15:38
Unless they have been mopping the floor those pictures kind of rubbishes the arguement of those saying that a lot rain wont get onto the concourses!

Saints-Crusaders
18th January 2012, 15:46
Unless they have been mopping the floor those pictures kind of rubbishes the arguement of those saying that a lot rain wont get onto the concourses!

well all the north, west and east concourses were like that.....but what are the chances of all 3 being affected by the rain to that extent ???? plus they were wet from wall to wall, if it was from rain, at least some of the floor would have been protected by the outer wall

Talk some sense!
18th January 2012, 15:49
well all the north, west and east concourses were like that.....but what are the chances of all 3 being affected by the rain to that extent ???? plus they were wet from wall to wall, if it was from rain, at least some of the floor would have been protected by the outer wall

A cleaning jobby pehaps pre the big game?

Albion
18th January 2012, 15:53
Unless they have been mopping the floor those pictures kind of rubbishes the arguement of those saying that a lot rain wont get onto the concourses!

Like I said, the training event was a wash out but the west stand concourse was not like the picture shown above.

Saints-Crusaders
18th January 2012, 16:03
Like I said, the training event was a wash out but the west stand concourse was not like the picture shown above.

I left that training event walking along the west concourse, exiting from the south west corner and it was as bad as the pic I posted.....but the north and east concourses were bone dry as I walked all the way around.

The pics I took today show all 3 concourses equally as wet, which I can't imagine would be caused solely by rain

Albion
18th January 2012, 16:08
I left that training event walking along the west concourse, exiting from the south west corner and it was as bad as the pic I posted.....but the north and east concourses were bone dry as I walked all the way around.

Really? I'm sure it wasn't that bad....

DD
18th January 2012, 19:08
I can see the point but the club has already said that they are planning to clad the stadium and if as may be the case that hasn't changed then they'd not need to release any statement to say that their original statement still stands. Maybe the club feel there is nothing to clarify as they have already explained what is happening, they of course cannot release statements to address each and every rumour that may appear on an internet forum.

Maybe there is to be an ammendment to what they have previously told us but I don't for one second believe fans are being kept in the dark for any underhand reason on this. The fact the media manager said they'd be making no statement until the roof issue was resolved to me does suggest there is something that is being investigated but perhaps the club don't know yet what they can and dan't do after the roof damage - and as far as they are concerned they're looking into the situation and will let us know once they know i when the roof ing issue is resolved.

I can understand both sides to an extent and maybe it's naive of me to look at it this way but until I hear differently from an official source I will continue to work on the basis that the last club statement is still current. If something changes that i'm then not happy with then i'll be one of the first to raise my complaint with the club if I felt that was necessary but until we know what is happening it's just speculation.

EDIT:the bolded bit, the club have i'm sure communicated with us to let us know there would be additional cladding so it's unfair to say they haven't said anything at all.

How many ifs and maybes in there?

Now all it would take is a simple statement to stop all this.

Yes they did communicate with us once (only after a similar wave of internet speculation, mind) but unofficial sources have told us that things have changed now. The club are perfectly aware that these rumours have got about so the decent thing would be either to confirm them or deny them. It's not rocket science, we're not asking for the earth, we just ask for clarification. It really is quite simple.

Unfortunately, the club has always been an utter disgrace when it comes to communicating with the fans and it's never going to change.

DD
18th January 2012, 19:12
I left that training event walking along the west concourse, exiting from the south west corner and it was as bad as the pic I posted.....but the north and east concourses were bone dry as I walked all the way around.


The disturbing things is that the concrete floor finish is clearly a float finish. This is as slippy as it comes when wet. Not only that but how often do you ever see a smooth floated concrete floor that is designed to be open to the elements? You don't! And that tells me an awful lot!

RV12
18th January 2012, 20:45
The open concourse aswell as being uncomfortable to fans could be very slippy and lead to situations in which the club is sued is someone slips. The lack of cladding is a design fault of the highest order, and I don't think that a statement to clarify the situation is too much to ask, to stop the endless flow of rumours. Hopefully, this error won't take away from the fantastic facility which we have, or even better, if we do manage to get some cladding up!!!!!

bscouseb
18th January 2012, 22:44
Your more likely to have a float finish to exposed for two two reasons, first being it seals the concrete surface, which is highly porous when unfinished, minimising water ingress that will damage the steel reinforcement in the concrete. Secondly it helps the surface shed and standing water, again to prevent any entrees. Apart from that I have to agree with what your saying.

wardies love child
18th January 2012, 23:32
Seen better finish with the back of a shovel. More ups and downs than the Brecon beacons. Standing water in many places. Obvious that drains added in after slab complete were it ponds. Wants shot blasting, anti slip floor cover or making water tight, take your pick. Some of the worst concrete work I've seen. However you get what you pay for and it's fit for purpose. If no cladding was planned it would have made sense to put fall across floors. Quality work it ain't. Similar around the bridge and tesco tbh. I think the standards in construction have never been so poor.

Saint Ged
19th January 2012, 10:20
If it is going to stay like it is, maybe it could be a good idea to put drainage gullies say every so often 10/ 15yds or so, just a thought, there has to be some way of making it safe.

Harri81
19th January 2012, 10:53
The photos show the true problem and anyone thinking people are airing concerns for no justified reason must be clueless. For a state of the Art stadium built for the North west of England its a joke that the concourses are so poorly protected from the rain. Those photos give the impression the pictures of the legends are outside rather than in the stadium.

A statement needs to be made soon i feel or the frustration will continue. I think the club also needs to brace itself for negative comments from away fans, and a miracle for no one to slip on those floors.

Talk some sense!
19th January 2012, 11:05
The photos show the true problem and anyone thinking people are airing concerns for no justified reason must be clueless. For a state of the Art stadium built for the North west of England its a joke that the concourses are so poorly protected from the rain. Those photos give the impression the pictures of the legends are outside rather than in the stadium.

A statement needs to be made soon i feel or the frustration will continue. I think the club also needs to brace itself for negative comments from away fans, and a miracle for no one to slip on those floors.

Lets just clear this up - the photo's are pf the west stand I believe, even if we go on the assumption the rumours are true the west stand is still to be cladded. Nobody doubts the need for the cladding.