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SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 10:48
Pete is there a possibilty they could amend the access to JKP or is it likely the trucks will be using the new fancy stuff?

I couldnt really say but there is an ola acces road on PX road called ?crook or something inbetween the traffic lights and the existing access road. Just after the electrical place. There is billboards there now but the road could easilly be put back in place. It leads right to the JKP site.

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 10:50
likely the trucks will be using the new fancy stuff?

They couldnt the new concrete has no rebar in it and is too thin for heavy traffic. The only rebal is short pieces just to bond the 2 slabs together.

Chris Saint
10th August 2011, 10:56
They couldnt the new concrete has no rebar in it and is too thin for heavy traffic. The only rebal is short pieces just to bond the 2 slabs together.

Thanks, I do hope they open up other access then, I was worried the front of the stadium wasn't going to be as grand due to lack of room, if they concrete right across it will look far more impressive.

Just had a look on street view, and that Cranbrook Street does seem just a waste of space, especially as it goes right into their haulage yard...

doghead
10th August 2011, 14:43
the posh concrete has now been sliced with a whisser the full width about every five yards, getting near to the first site entrance as you drive up, the concrete is the ordinary stuff, almost in front of the main doors of the stadium the finish to the posh concrete is very poor.

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 14:49
the posh concrete has now been sliced with a whisser the full width about every five yards, getting near to the first site entrance as you drive up, the concrete is the ordinary stuff, almost in front of the main doors of the stadium the finish to the posh concrete is very poor.

I feared this would happen!!

Chris Saint
10th August 2011, 15:10
the posh concrete has now been sliced with a whisser the full width about every five yards, getting near to the first site entrance as you drive up, the concrete is the ordinary stuff, almost in front of the main doors of the stadium the finish to the posh concrete is very poor.

Is there not scope for a different finish on top of the concrete near the entrance?

The General Arrangement plan appears to have the concourse all the same material all the way round inside the access road to the car parking, it also doesn't suggest there will be access to JKP from the stadium entrance and that public realm is designed to allow emergency vehicle loading. But I can't find the correct address to post the link to the drawing.

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 15:28
Concrete tends to be a top layer finish due to cost. But they could use it as a sub base for paving. This would stop weeds from growing through the cracks but like i said it isnt usually done this way.

doghead
10th August 2011, 15:34
anybody got the address of the council stadium web site, just restored my pc to factory settings.

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 15:37
anybody got the address of the council stadium web site, just restored my pc to factory settings.

Full Plans (http://llpgport.oltps.sthelens.gov.uk:8080/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=50095)
Site General Arrangement (http://llpgport.oltps.sthelens.gov.uk:8080/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=140161)

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 15:43
What a wierd thing to see
A trailor on a trailor
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/electrogen/Untitled-6.jpg

h-bomb
10th August 2011, 15:46
Interesting to see that it's only a year ago since the site looked like this...

http://www.paulmrheyes.webspace.virginmedia.com/SaintsStadiumAerialShotAugust2010.jpg

Saddened!
10th August 2011, 15:48
What a wierd thing to see
A trailor on a trailor

I see that a lot driving up and down the M6. The last section of the trailer can actually be removed or pushed back to allow it to carry an identical low loader & cab on the back. Looks very strange.

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 15:51
Interesting to see that it's only a year ago since the site looked like this...

Have a look at streetview from px lane and you can see the new stadium when it was just steel

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 15:53
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/electrogen/Untitled-8.jpg

wardies love child
10th August 2011, 20:54
They couldnt the new concrete has no rebar in it and is too thin for heavy traffic. The only rebal is short pieces just to bond the 2 slabs together.

It doesn't need steel to be reinforced. It will probably be fibre reinforced as it's quicker to work with and just as strong. The dowel bars do as you state. If it's a poor as you say it looks then it may just be an underlay for a finished product. I would expect the planners would have insisted on a quality finish as they have throughout the town centre.

Jase
10th August 2011, 21:47
It doesn't need steel to be reinforced. It will probably be fibre reinforced as it's quicker to work with and just as strong. The dowel bars do as you state. If it's a poor as you say it looks then it may just be an underlay for a finished product. I would expect the planners would have insisted on a quality finish as they have throughout the town centre.

Was just gonna say this... most of the time when they do service roads etc in concrete the either have a synthetic/metal pin fibre already mixed in at the batching plant to save time, and is just as strong as having re-mesh, or the likes.... and the reason its been cut every 5yrds or so as you say!! is so the slab can move in the heat, so not crack when it expands

djgazza
10th August 2011, 22:08
Trailer on trailer (piggybacking) is done to save fuel you only have send one vehicle instead of two. They sometimes put a third one on top as well

SaintPeter
10th August 2011, 22:14
They sometimes put a third one on top as well

Now that is what i call service lol.

SaintPeter
11th August 2011, 07:32
It doesn't need steel to be reinforced. It will probably be fibre reinforced as it's quicker to work with and just as strong. The dowel bars do as you state. If it's a poor as you say it looks then it may just be an underlay for a finished product. I would expect the planners would have insisted on a quality finish as they have throughout the town centre.

The manholes are the same level as the concrete.

SaintPeter
12th August 2011, 17:45
Some Pice Here Down a Bit (http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&p=16367824#p16367822)

100% Saint
12th August 2011, 22:50
Great pictures they are, i must say that Tesco looks pretty good too.

saint_norris
12th August 2011, 23:17
the red cladding looks awesome, stands out loads

Windle Lad
12th August 2011, 23:46
Really coming together now. Still struggling to visualise how the outside of the other 3 stands will look. That roof is pretty impressive and really catches the eye.

Blobbynator
13th August 2011, 10:34
Really coming together now. Still struggling to visualise how the outside of the other 3 stands will look. That roof is pretty impressive and really catches the eye.

Yeah the South Stand looks great, but it's really weird comparing the other 3 stands with it right now as they look so far from completion.

Paul Newlove
13th August 2011, 12:20
Can someone remind me,will the home standing be at the Peasley Cross end,I forget now

forward ref
13th August 2011, 12:26
Yeah the South Stand looks great, but it's really weird comparing the other 3 stands with it right now as they look so far from completion.

Nope, I think that's pretty much what they'll look like complete. Most people (only us) wont see those faces of the ground.

wardies love child
13th August 2011, 12:34
Nope, I think that's pretty much what they'll look like complete. Most people (only us) wont see those faces of the ground.

I think they will be closed in over time with cash flow coming in. The quality won't be the same as south I expect as nobody will see that side much.

RedVee Admin
13th August 2011, 13:19
Can someone remind me,will the home standing be at the Peasley Cross end,I forget now

No. Tesco end.

The (Wide To) West Stand

Paul Newlove
13th August 2011, 13:22
No. Tesco end.

The (Wide To) West Stand

Cheers,I don't know why I got that in my head

Gruntfuttock
13th August 2011, 14:05
Some picture I took Yesterday, I must admit it look REALLY good close up , and as for the other stands , as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, now archived, the lower walls are breezeblock effectively which soaks up water, it will be cladded with something,to weatherproof it , it you look at CM`s pics the lift shaft area has the criss crossed bars over it , that is for the external cladding

My Pictures

from PX lane

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/px1aug13.jpg

as you walk up the access road,

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstand1aug13.jpg

they havent started to clad the west end of the south stand yet

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstand4aug13jpg.jpg

what will be the main reception

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentrance.jpg

you can see some internal dors and walls

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentranceinternals.jpg

the red cladding looks reallly nice close up

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/soiuthstand2aug13.jpg

will look even better with the club badge on it

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstand3aug13.jpg

and the east stand and car park

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/eaststandaug13.jpg

east stand from PX rd

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/eaststand2aug13.jpg

mattsdad
13th August 2011, 14:34
The Tesco looks identical to the one in Prescot, I suppose they have a bog standard set of drawings for all new builds.

Gruntfuttock
13th August 2011, 15:32
Cant get the video to embed so heres a link to some video i took showing the red cladding being applied, apologies for the wind noise,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4BzqBy8tUU

EcclesMark
13th August 2011, 17:59
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentrance.jpg

Anyone else think that we could put a cross bar between the wide white posts of the main entrance to form a set of rugby posts?

Would be fitting for our stadium!

Barney Rubble
13th August 2011, 18:04
Cant get the video to embed so heres a link to some video i took showing the red cladding being applied, apologies for the wind noise,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4BzqBy8tUU

It's ok mate, even the queen farts

roy litherland
13th August 2011, 19:11
Ahahahahaha top quote.
It's ok mate, even the queen farts

wardies love child
13th August 2011, 20:59
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentrance.jpg

Anyone else think that we could put a cross bar between the wide white posts of the main entrance to form a set of rugby posts?

Would be fitting for our stadium!

I like the idea of that. Nostalgia.

Gruntfuttock
14th August 2011, 10:07
Way back in 2008 I took a picture from the foot bridge over the link road, here is a "Then" and "NOW" shot, some nice changes eh?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/1footbridge2008.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/footbridge2.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/footbridge3.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/footbridge4.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/footbridge2011.jpg

somerset-saint
14th August 2011, 10:10
saw it myself for the first time yesterday.... looks fantastic, looks a lot bigger in the flesh

Samba
14th August 2011, 15:35
Some picture I took Yesterday, I must admit it look REALLY good close up , and as for the other stands , as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, now archived, the lower walls are breezeblock effectively which soaks up water, it will be cladded with something,to weatherproof it , it you look at CM`s pics the lift shaft area has the criss crossed bars over it , that is for the external cladding



My Pictures

from PX lane

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/px1aug13.jpg

as you walk up the access road,

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstand1aug13.jpg

they havent started to clad the west end of the south stand yet

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstand4aug13jpg.jpg

what will be the main reception

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentrance.jpg

you can see some internal dors and walls

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentranceinternals.jpg

the red cladding looks reallly nice close up

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/soiuthstand2aug13.jpg

will look even better with the club badge on it

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstand3aug13.jpg

and the east stand and car park

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/eaststandaug13.jpg

east stand from PX rd

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/eaststand2aug13.jpg


OK, are we to assume that the breezeblock level will be possibly cladded, as will the lift shaft(s), but all above the breezeblock level in the N, E, W stands will be left completely open? I hope not, it will look half-finished and such a huge disappointment compared with the magnificent south stand.

Back Row Singer
14th August 2011, 18:09
Okay so am I right in thinking, (using this pic)...

Left - West Terrace/Tesco
Far end - East Terrace/PX Lane
Near Side - South
Far Side - North

Screen in the far NE corner?
Scoreboard in the NW corner?

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x453/BackRowSinger92/newstadium.png

RedVee Admin
14th August 2011, 20:33
Okay so am I right in thinking, (using this pic)...

Left - West Terrace/Tesco YES
Far end - East Terrace/PX Lane YES
Near Side - South YES
Far Side - North YES

Screen in the far NE corner? YES
Scoreboard in the NW corner? NO

Scoreboard in the far NE corner? YES


http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x453/BackRowSinger92/newstadium.png

oldshep1960
14th August 2011, 20:47
I like the idea of that. Nostalgia. could have 'KNOWSLEY ROAD' as an inscription on the xbar.

Gruntfuttock
14th August 2011, 20:55
some pictures from today taking CM`s advise we trekked deep into the sub equatorial link road forest and after getting lot a friendly tribe of pygmies helpd us to find our way to the almost legendary new home of the Saints

Tesco

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0169.jpg

the rap leading down the front of tesco`s leading to the stadium

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0170.jpg

north stand car park

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0171.jpg

close up of the studio and boxes

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0172.jpg

back of the north stand

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0174.jpg

and some lovely pictures of the south stand in the bright sunshine, (sunglasses alert the red will blind you)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0180.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0181.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/SAM_0182.jpg

Windle Lad
15th August 2011, 12:47
Does anyone know if the outside edge of the roof is going to be cladded to hide the drain pipes and supporting steelwork, or is this the finished look?

Saint.Sharon
15th August 2011, 13:02
I'm not sure how many people would be interested to know this, but I've just heard through work that the new Stadium is no longer planning on hosting any Christmas Party night functions for this year.
If it's true, it's a shame as it would have been a nice money maker pre-season!! (And I wonder what the reasons are behind this decision).

Saint of Hull
15th August 2011, 13:10
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/southstandmainentrance.jpg

Anyone else think that we could put a cross bar between the wide white posts of the main entrance to form a set of rugby posts?

Would be fitting for our stadium!

Is that a deliberately added security feature that the opening windows open on to an upright so the will only open so far?!

Seems odd!

Gruntfuttock
15th August 2011, 14:01
Its a deceptive angle , they dont hit the uprights, (see thats why we cant go to the video for a forward pass!! camera angles) :)

Gruntfuttock
15th August 2011, 14:02
I'm not sure how many people would be interested to know this, but I've just heard through work that the new Stadium is no longer planning on hosting any Christmas Party night functions for this year.
If it's true, it's a shame as it would have been a nice money maker pre-season!! (And I wonder what the reasons are behind this decision).


although the stadium keys are to be handed over in October the fitting out of it will not be finished till Jan I am told

Saint of Hull
15th August 2011, 14:03
Its a deceptive angle , they dont hit the uprights, (see thats why we cant go to the video for a forward pass!! camera angles) :)

:smile:

RedVee Admin
15th August 2011, 14:08
I'm not sure how many people would be interested to know this, but I've just heard through work that the new Stadium is no longer planning on hosting any Christmas Party night functions for this year.
If it's true, it's a shame as it would have been a nice money maker pre-season!! (And I wonder what the reasons are behind this decision).
Yup. Ell Saint Blues reported this in the Stadium Watch 5 thread.

My guess is that the internal fixtures and fittings won't be done in time to hold functions.

SaintPeter
15th August 2011, 15:34
I heard from someone( not on redvee) that they were behing schedule by a few weeks, and didnt think they will be finished till after xmas. Hence why they have installed floodlights to the stands for dark nights and why there working sat and sundays. They havent mentioned as they could easilly claw time back.

SaintPeter
15th August 2011, 15:35
Does anyone know if the outside edge of the roof is going to be cladded to hide the drain pipes and supporting steelwork, or is this the finished look?

There will be soffets that cover the gutters.

SaintPeter
15th August 2011, 15:39
Is that a deliberately added security feature!


http://kevinburdick.com/blog/uploads/ph_man_on_stilts.jpg

forward ref
15th August 2011, 18:00
Does this mean the boxing day game is off then?

wardies love child
15th August 2011, 18:54
http://kevinburdick.com/blog/uploads/ph_man_on_stilts.jpg

Stan always wanted to be a 6footer

Samba
15th August 2011, 20:31
So, (to RedVee Admin) are you saying BOTH the scoreboard and screen are in the North-East corner and nothing in the North-West corner? Surely not.:confused:

KPnuts
15th August 2011, 20:33
I enquired a few weeks back about the Christmas party nights and was told they wanted to make sure everything was ok everywhere and so had decided to not hold them this year - but details for next year will be out in Dec

somerset-saint
15th August 2011, 20:36
Does this mean the boxing day game is off then?

what boxing day game is that?

SaintPeter
15th August 2011, 20:51
what boxing day game is that?

Were supposed to be playing Wigan i think or Widnes.

somerset-saint
15th August 2011, 21:03
Were supposed to be playing Wigan i think or Widnes.

If thats our first game at the stadium i really do not want it to be wigan......

djdegsy
15th August 2011, 21:42
on saturday i picked a couple of work men up in my eld taxi.both reckon that theres very little chance it`ll be done for october.more like late november.i often think when im driving past that there looks hell of a lot still to do,but like they said once the main stand is done the rest should fit together quickly.end of day its done when its done

RedVee Admin
16th August 2011, 00:02
Does this mean the boxing day game is off then?
When was it ever confirmed as being on?


So, (to RedVee Admin) are you saying BOTH the scoreboard and screen are in the North-East corner and nothing in the North-West corner? Surely not.:confused:
That's what I've been told, from the electrical contractors and yes, it contradicts the plans that we all saw last year.

SaintPeter
16th August 2011, 05:37
and yes, it contradicts the plans that we all saw last year.
Believe it or not there are new plans:D last weeks star had an article about new plans being shown at the park inn sometime soon.

SaintPeter
16th August 2011, 08:18
Looks like they are leveling the part inbetween the stadium and where was concreted last week. They seem to be leveling for the final finish there.

Sadfish
16th August 2011, 08:25
When was it ever confirmed as being on?

Correct this came as a rumour from the construction site iirc.



That's what I've been told, from the electrical contractors and yes, it contradicts the plans that we all saw last year.

The club have already stated the plans have been amended and they will be on show at the roadshows......

forward ref
16th August 2011, 08:33
When was it ever confirmed as being on?




What's that got to do with anything?

The club were trying for a boxing day first game. It wasn't confirmed officially because it couldn't be guarranteed. I know this, you know this, even Sadfish knows this. The point is - is it now definitely a no goer because the inside of the stadium wont be fitted out?

So why do you come over all girly and start talking about 'official' proclamations. Just because it wasn't officially anounced doesn't mean the club weren't trying their best to make it happen.

Just as if 'official' and 'unofficial' can make efforts real or unreal, FFS.

Sadfish
16th August 2011, 08:48
What's that got to do with anything?

The club were trying for a boxing day first game. It wasn't confirmed officially because it couldn't be guarranteed. I know this, you know this, even Sadfish knows this. The point is - is it now definitely a no goer because the inside of the stadium wont be fitted out?

So why do you come over all girly and start talking about 'official' proclamations. Just because it wasn't officially anounced doesn't mean the club weren't trying their best to make it happen.

Just as if 'official' and 'unofficial' can make efforts real or unreal, FFS.

The points he and I are trying to make is that you can't cancel something that hasn't been confirmed.

I'm looking at buying another £1 million house in Florida, but just because i'm looking into it doesn't mean it's on and you should be buying your air ticket to come visit.

RedVee Admin
16th August 2011, 08:53
What's that got to do with anything?

The club were trying for a boxing day first game. It wasn't confirmed officially because it couldn't be guarranteed. I know this, you know this, even Sadfish knows this. The point is - is it now definitely a no goer because the inside of the stadium wont be fitted out?

So why do you come over all girly and start talking about 'official' proclamations. Just because it wasn't officially anounced doesn't mean the club weren't trying their best to make it happen.

Just as if 'official' and 'unofficial' can make efforts real or unreal, FFS.

And relax...

SaintPeter
16th August 2011, 08:56
the inside of the stadium wont be fitted out?


From what i heard, Barr won't be finished till then. Never mind the fit out.

Gruntfuttock
16th August 2011, 09:39
Have we rewound to 2009?
seems to me we were getting the same kind of negativity and rumour before the demolition started I am pretty sure before all this started the club stated the finances are in place, to produce this stadium, for people to suggest the club are living hand to mouth on a building project such as this is ridiulous " the walls will be left open because they have run out of money" , even at such a stage as this where people can see the stadium going up, they still seem to doubt it will happen? i despair sometimes, i really do, with any building project shedules slip the weather, delays in materials all can happen, have faith its happening !! honest!!

E Saint
16th August 2011, 09:40
Have we rewound to 2009?
seems to me we were getting the same kind of negativity and rumour before the demolition started I am pretty sure before all this started the club stated the finances are in place, to produce this stadium, for people to suggest the club are living hand to mouth on a building project such as this is ridiulous " the walls will be left open because they have run out of money" , even at such a stage as this where people can see the stadium going up, they still seem to doubt it will happen? i despair sometimes, i really do, with any building project shedules slip the weather, delays in materials all can happen, have faith its happening !! honest!!

But do you have any pictures to prove it? ;)

Div
16th August 2011, 09:41
As long as its ready for the 2012 kick off does it really matter ?

SaintPeter
16th August 2011, 09:53
Have we rewound to 2009?
seems to me we were getting the same kind of negativity and rumour before the demolition started I am pretty sure before all this started the club stated the finances are in place, to produce this stadium, for people to suggest the club are living hand to mouth on a building project such as this is ridiulous " the walls will be left open because they have run out of money" , even at such a stage as this where people can see the stadium going up, they still seem to doubt it will happen? i despair sometimes, i really do, with any building project shedules slip the weather, delays in materials all can happen, have faith its happening !! honest!!

Just saying what i heard. Good source

Gruntfuttock
16th August 2011, 09:58
But do you have any pictures to prove it? ;)

erm ill get back to you :)

Gruntfuttock
16th August 2011, 09:58
more red cladding on the webcam

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/16811.png

Gruntfuttock
16th August 2011, 10:00
Just saying what i heard. Good source

well i have heard also from a very good source that the keys will be handed over in Oct and i seem to recall someone on this very thread saying he had heard the chairman of Barrs on the radio saying that the stadium will be handed over on time

SaintPeter
16th August 2011, 10:05
well i have heard also from a very good source that the keys will be handed over in Oct and i seem to recall someone on this very thread saying he had heard the chairman of Barrs on the radio saying that the stadium will be handed over on time

They dont like to admit too early as time can be clawed back easilly. I heard the sparks were having trouble and that they have been told the handover is 70 odd days away but that they wont be finished. Also i have heard from someone high up on the site that says the same. There have been a few other people on here who are working on site who have said the same.

Rommel
16th August 2011, 10:27
We need to send in the big boys

http://i53.tinypic.com/mjtw6w.jpg

Buddy
16th August 2011, 10:31
well i have heard also from a very good source that the keys will be handed over in Oct and i seem to recall someone on this very thread saying he had heard the chairman of Barrs on the radio saying that the stadium will be handed over on time

I heard the same, in fact I was told the offices and club shop will be operational by then

RedVee Admin
16th August 2011, 10:46
As long as its ready for the 2012 kick off does it really matter ?

WALLOP. The bottom line.

OsborneSaint
16th August 2011, 11:01
http://streams.brambleinteractive.com/st-helens/cam2/static/webcam.jpg?rand=6.475581

Samba
16th August 2011, 11:19
Have we rewound to 2009?
seems to me we were getting the same kind of negativity and rumour before the demolition started I am pretty sure before all this started the club stated the finances are in place, to produce this stadium, for people to suggest the club are living hand to mouth on a building project such as this is ridiulous " the walls will be left open because they have run out of money" , even at such a stage as this where people can see the stadium going up, they still seem to doubt it will happen? i despair sometimes, i really do, with any building project shedules slip the weather, delays in materials all can happen, have faith its happening !! honest!!

I agree with a lot what you say, but surely it is in our interests to know if the stadium is to be fully enclosed or 3/4 to be left 'open' partially to the elements. We were initially told it would be enclosed, the initial computer-generated picture of the stadium interior shows it as fully enclosed. Many people on here seem to have spoken to construction workers etc directly involved with the build and are relaying info re completion dates etc to us, but I find it strange that no-one has either asked or been told if the stadium will be enclosed.

OsborneSaint
16th August 2011, 11:26
I agree with a lot what you say, but surely it is in our interests to know if the stadium is to be fully enclosed or 3/4 to be left 'open' partially to the elements. We were initially told it would be enclosed, the initial computer-generated picture of the stadium interior shows it as fully enclosed. Many people on here seem to have spoken to construction workers etc directly involved with the build and are relaying info re completion dates etc to us, but I find it strange that no-one has either asked or been told if the stadium will be enclosed.

It is a worry.

Sadfish
16th August 2011, 11:33
I agree with a lot what you say, but surely it is in our interests to know if the stadium is to be fully enclosed or 3/4 to be left 'open' partially to the elements. We were initially told it would be enclosed, the initial computer-generated picture of the stadium interior shows it as fully enclosed. Many people on here seem to have spoken to construction workers etc directly involved with the build and are relaying info re completion dates etc to us, but I find it strange that no-one has either asked or been told if the stadium will be enclosed.

What evidence have you to suggest that it won't be enclosed?

RedVee Admin
16th August 2011, 11:43
n.b. the 2012 season ticket brochure has new stadium FAQs and stats, including the exact capacities of each stand.

And... The big screen is in the NE corner.

http://www.saintsrlfc.com/sites/default/files/Season%20Ticket_5.pdf

Samba
16th August 2011, 11:46
What evidence have you to suggest that it won't be enclosed?

I don't have any evidence - if I did, I wouldn't need to make this post. However, many mentions of the possibility of three sides being left semi-open are made in discussions in 'Stadium Watch 5'

Gruntfuttock
16th August 2011, 12:14
can you honestly see them leaving breeze block walls exposed to the elements? , or that they woluld seriously consider leaving the crowd with less shelter than at KR, ? get a grip fellas, it will be enclosed, if you look at the pictures of the back of the north stand the liftshaft and stairs have supports already for the cladding, it wont need much support for a single skin cladding to be attached. the Saints media manager said it would be enclosed, Mr McManus said we are going for a quality build, leaving three sides open is real quality isnt it!?

E Saint
16th August 2011, 12:15
n.b. the 2012 season ticket brochure has new stadium FAQs and stats, including the exact capacities of each stand.

And... The big screen is in the NE corner.

http://www.saintsrlfc.com/sites/default/files/Season%20Ticket_5.pdf

Does the ground revolve? Looks like the north stand is going to be repositioned to run along Peasley Cross Lane for the start of next season :D

forward ref
16th August 2011, 12:21
The points he and I are trying to make is that you can't cancel something that hasn't been confirmed.

I'm looking at buying another £1 million house in Florida, but just because i'm looking into it doesn't mean it's on and you should be buying your air ticket to come visit.

ANd the point I'm making is quite simple too so I'll spell it out...

Does this mean that the game the club were trying to get organised for boxing day (probably with Widnes) is now out of contention because the internal fit out will not be complete?

I don't expect an 'official' answer. I did think that someone with inside info might drop a broad easy to grasp hint that either - they're still hoping to get something together or it probably it wont now be possible.

Buddy
16th August 2011, 12:37
Does the ground revolve? Looks like the north stand is going to be repositioned to run along Peasley Cross Lane for the start of next season :D

That had me worried too :)

100% Saint
16th August 2011, 12:55
New pictures on the Saints site: http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/1162

Buddy
16th August 2011, 13:00
New pictures on the Saints site: http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/1162

The pitch looks amazing

Chris Saint
16th August 2011, 13:08
The pitch looks amazing

Wouldn't mind some of that seed for my lawn that is for sure!!!

volls_dad
16th August 2011, 13:15
I don't have any evidence - if I did, I wouldn't need to make this post. However, many mentions of the possibility of three sides being left semi-open are made in discussions in 'Stadium Watch 5'

Taken from Saints website - Comments on Season Ticket stuff...

Enclosed
At 11:55 on Tuesday 16th Aug 2011, Colin wrote:
Can you tell me if the north, east, west stands and the NE and NW corners will be fully cladded/enclosed behind the stands as is the south stand?

Saints Webmaster - Planning permission has been granted for the North Stand to be fully cladded (with a small gap at the top) - it has had to be reconfigured due to wind resistance etc. I will find out about the other stands.
.....................

I wonder how "small" the gap is at the top of the North stand? It looks like the standing population might be a bit more open to the elements!

Windle Lad
16th August 2011, 13:18
What evidence have you to suggest that it won't be enclosed?

Previous post has updated my comments below - obviously been some developments re original plans

Have posted this previously, but the latest viewable plans of the elevation views of the East & West & North & South clearly show that the current build is pretty much identical to those plans i.e. its open. Whether this is the most accurate and the longer term position remains to be seen.

Breeze block is due to be cladded; cladding around north stand stairwell & lift was always on the plans (designated as red flat metal panel - it does shows this to the left of the stairwell (x1) but think this is a typo and should refer to the edging around the entrance/exit gate).

RedVee Admin
16th August 2011, 14:03
Does the ground revolve? Looks like the north stand is going to be repositioned to run along Peasley Cross Lane for the start of next season :D
No, they're re-routing Peasley Cross Lane...

Sadfish
16th August 2011, 14:09
Previous post has updated my comments below - obviously been some developments re original plans

Have posted this previously, but the latest viewable plans of the elevation views of the East & West & North & South clearly show that the current build is pretty much identical to those plans i.e. its open. Whether this is the most accurate and the longer term position remains to be seen.

Breeze block is due to be cladded; cladding around north stand stairwell & lift was always on the plans (designated as red flat metal panel - it does shows this to the left of the stairwell (x1) but think this is a typo and should refer to the edging around the entrance/exit gate).

Almost every modern stadium has a gap of some kind between the roof and the stands.

RedVee Admin
16th August 2011, 14:12
ANd the point I'm making is quite simple too so I'll spell it out...

Does this mean that the game the club were trying to get organised for boxing day (probably with Widnes) is now out of contention because the internal fit out will not be complete?

I don't expect an 'official' answer. I did think that someone with inside info might drop a broad easy to grasp hint that either - they're still hoping to get something together or it probably it wont now be possible.

Shame we don't have someone with inside info.

My outside info tells me that Saints know they have to run H&S games but none have been planned, or will be planned, until the stadium build is complete and the keys handed over.

Hence the Boxing Day game never being on the cards - it was never more than rumour, speculation and "it'd be nice if we could but we won't know if we can do it until the build is complete".

But hey, feel free to take rumours as gospel and then rip my head off - I'm guessing that high horse you're on is bucking?

scousedave
16th August 2011, 14:19
I have been reading the stadium watch, and seen all the roumers so i decided to ask St helens fb page, they responded very quickly. :-Official St.Helens RLFC "It is on schedule. Don't listen to the rumours. We will get handover at the end of October and then we will continue with the fit out."

I though what does fit out mean? so i asked if the outer cladding will be finished and the fans seats in place, to which they responded with
"The cladding is expected to go up the North Stand, but I'm not sure about the West and East just yet - will get back to you. The seats will be in when we take 'delivery' of the stadium".

nlwsaint
16th August 2011, 15:04
Almost every modern stadium has a gap of some kind between the roof and the stands.

That was the answer given when Saints staff were asked. There has to be a gap but it won't be the current 2-3 mtrs & planning permission is being sought to close part of the gap. They responded by giving the Emirates & the Stretford End at OT as examples of this. However, the South Stand has been constructed with a slightly different corkscrew design in the corners to counteract the effects of wind blowing in.

wardies love child
16th August 2011, 15:38
Shame we don't have someone with inside info.

My outside info tells me that Saints know they have to run H&S games but none have been planned, or will be planned, until the stadium build is complete and the keys handed over.

Hence the Boxing Day game never being on the cards - it was never more than rumour, speculation and "it'd be nice if we could but we won't know if we can do it until the build is complete".

But hey, feel free to take rumours as gospel and then rip my head off - I'm guessing that high horse you're on is bucking?

Bridge guys were told come what may it had be complete for boxing day. It had stood for 7 week or so whilst ground issues were sorted. If it happens great if not so be it I'd sooner it be opened when it's complete.

Windle Lad
16th August 2011, 15:47
Almost every modern stadium has a gap of some kind between the roof and the stands.

Indeed, but I think the concern was about the relative size of the gap as on the plans. Clealry this has been changed (for whatever reason) for the North Stand as additional planning permission has been sort. Remains to be seen if similar applies to the other 2 stands. Though have to say I have got used to looking at it now and its nice to see a bit of the architecture.

Would be great to have a similar see-through look like the Emirates to let the natural light in!

Samba
16th August 2011, 16:26
Taken from Saints website - Comments on Season Ticket stuff...

Enclosed
At 11:55 on Tuesday 16th Aug 2011, Colin wrote:
Can you tell me if the north, east, west stands and the NE and NW corners will be fully cladded/enclosed behind the stands as is the south stand?

Saints Webmaster - Planning permission has been granted for the North Stand to be fully cladded (with a small gap at the top) - it has had to be reconfigured due to wind resistance etc. I will find out about the other stands.
.....................

I wonder how "small" the gap is at the top of the North stand? It looks like the standing population might be a bit more open to the elements!


I'm taking full credit for this as I'm 'Colin' who asked the question! I thought the only way to get a true answer was to go to the horses mouth itself. Hope we get the answer re terraced stands also soon.

ma barker
16th August 2011, 16:37
Wouldn't mind some of that seed for my lawn that is for sure!!!

I was half listening to Eddie wittering on during the match against Hudds. Apparently the new pitch (Intelligent Grass?) to be laid at Widnes will be the same kind at Saints new ground. Something like this maybe?

http://www.dessosports.com/en/desso-grassmaster/

Was anyone listening intently to Stevo and Eddie or is that a stupid question!

Dynamite Don Brennan
16th August 2011, 16:39
I was half listening to Eddie wittering on during the match against Hudds. Apparently the new pitch (Intelligent Grass?) to be laid at Widnes will be the same kind at Saints new ground. Something like this maybe?

http://www.dessosports.com/en/desso-grassmaster/

Was anyone listening intently to Stevo and Eddie or is that a stupid question!

The 3G pitch Saints have installed Is at their new training ground.

Samba
16th August 2011, 16:40
can you honestly see them leaving breeze block walls exposed to the elements? , or that they woluld seriously consider leaving the crowd with less shelter than at KR, ? get a grip fellas, it will be enclosed, if you look at the pictures of the back of the north stand the liftshaft and stairs have supports already for the cladding, it wont need much support for a single skin cladding to be attached. the Saints media manager said it would be enclosed, Mr McManus said we are going for a quality build, leaving three sides open is real quality isnt it!?

I hope you are right, but I'd prefer to hold my judgement until the 'Saints Webmaster' gives us a definitive answer - see post #94 for relevant info.

ma barker
16th August 2011, 16:42
The 3G pitch Saints have installed Is at their new training ground.

It won't be at the new stadium then?
And does it give any kind of edge compared to ordinary turf?

Samba
16th August 2011, 17:12
It won't be at the new stadium then?
And does it give any kind of edge compared to ordinary turf?

Yes, one less person on the payroll - the lass who washes the Widnes kit will be getting her P45

Agent Mulder
16th August 2011, 17:47
Yes, one less person on the payroll - the lass who washes the Widnes kit will be getting her P45

They won't need the grass mowing either. make that two less then. B)

Saints-Crusaders
16th August 2011, 19:11
Yes, one less person on the payroll - the lass who washes the Widnes kit will be getting her P45

How do you figure that ? It will still get wet, sweaty and probably get blood on, so the kit still needs washing after it's been worn......or do you only wash your clothes when there's physical signs of dirt on them ??

doghead
16th August 2011, 20:42
Bridge guys were told come what may it had be complete for boxing day. It had stood for 7 week or so whilst ground issues were sorted. If it happens great if not so be it I'd sooner it be opened when it's complete.

I was listening to the boss man at the bridge site speaking to the police, he said the bridge will be handed over late October.

Saints-Crusaders
16th August 2011, 20:44
I was listening to the boss man at the bridge site speaking to the police, he said the bridge will be handed over late October.


Haven't they taken out a restraining order on you yet ;)

saintjames
16th August 2011, 20:49
Due to the lack of real information from the club on the cladding debate I have moved from North to the South Stand. Happy in the knowledge that I will have my half time bevvy in an enclosed environment.:smile:

doghead
16th August 2011, 20:51
can you honestly see them leaving breeze block walls exposed to the elements? , or that they woluld seriously consider leaving the crowd with less shelter than at KR, ? get a grip fellas, it will be enclosed, if you look at the pictures of the back of the north stand the liftshaft and stairs have supports already for the cladding, it wont need much support for a single skin cladding to be attached. the Saints media manager said it would be enclosed, Mr McManus said we are going for a quality build, leaving three sides open is real quality isnt it!?

futtocks, have look at the outside course of breeze block, its not your ordinary run of the mill stuff, its a darker grey and smoother, it looks like the weather resistant stuff, for me the cladding will sit on top of the breeze block wall, not against it.
speaking to the beat bobby he said they have been told it will be enclosed.

Supersaint
16th August 2011, 20:53
What's with the pigs ears on the roof shown in the aerial view?

nlwsaint
16th August 2011, 20:56
Due to the lack of real information from the club on the cladding debate I have moved from North to the South Stand. Happy in the knowledge that I will have my half time bevvy in an enclosed environment.:smile:

Me too! After being exposed to the elements at KR for years, didn't fancy the same at the New Stadium.

doghead
16th August 2011, 20:56
Haven't they taken out a restraining order on you yet ;)

I am completely besotted with the place, Sunday morning 10am along the railway is my favourite fix.

Saints-Crusaders
16th August 2011, 21:07
I am completely besotted with the place, Sunday morning 10am along the railway is my favourite fix.


Not been for a while now that others are posting pics on here and on Saints website

Samba
16th August 2011, 21:14
Due to the lack of real information from the club on the cladding debate I have moved from North to the South Stand. Happy in the knowledge that I will have my half time bevvy in an enclosed environment.:smile:

Look at posts#94 and #103 - you would probably stay dry in the North stand, but the East and West..........??????

Samba
16th August 2011, 21:16
How do you figure that ? It will still get wet, sweaty and probably get blood on, so the kit still needs washing after it's been worn......or do you only wash your clothes when there's physical signs of dirt on them ??


I wondered why I had no friends!!

saintjames
16th August 2011, 21:37
Look at posts#94 and #103 - you would probably stay dry in the North stand, but the East and West..........??????

Too true!! Seriously how much is a bit of cladding - 100k max I would have thought.

Gruntfuttock
16th August 2011, 23:39
well only time will tell who is right !

wardies love child
17th August 2011, 11:32
Too true!! Seriously how much is a bit of cladding - 100k max I would have thought.

Last time i put some up which was a while back it was £80 per m2 fixed. It's not cheap as a material but relatively low cost to fix.

OsborneSaint
17th August 2011, 15:14
Wow nearly all the red cladding done!

http://streams.brambleinteractive.com/st-helens/cam2/static/webcam.jpg?rand=32.64135

Gruntfuttock
17th August 2011, 15:28
very classy !!

wardies love child
17th August 2011, 16:00
Ding Dong

Chris Saint
17th August 2011, 17:09
Looking fabulous, the webcam doesn't do justice to the finish, soon there will be nothing to see on the webcam as everything to be done will be off screen. Our very own intrepid paperazzi will be the only major source of information.

Get some seats in and it will really start to look close (barring a lot of internals!).

Anyone going to the ticket forum to have a gander at the latest plans? Be interesting to see if there is anything significantly changed

100% Saint
17th August 2011, 17:34
I think i might go and have a look see the plans

Saints-Crusaders
17th August 2011, 21:51
Pics taken tonight

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/3db232bc.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/4c681181.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/0a93bdd3.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/6b3f461b.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/7babcaab.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/fd235aa0.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/99a65fdb.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/84a18795.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/134edfa6.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff374/Cliff1967/Saints/saints%20stadium%203/saints%20stadium%2020/f3438b78.jpg

Gruntfuttock
17th August 2011, 23:30
very nice

Windle Lad
18th August 2011, 00:05
Looks like the block work has been finished off on the east stand. Would be great to get some photos inside the east & west concourses (North as well) - any chance Saints Media Manager??

doghead
18th August 2011, 00:48
Looks like the block work has been finished off on the east stand. Would be great to get some photos inside the east & west concourses (North as well) - any chance Saints Media Manager??

A view from the North concourse skyward would be very enlightening.

Talk some sense!
18th August 2011, 08:54
I know it's late in the day but does anybody know who's doing the telecomms infrastructure at the stadium?

SaintPeter
18th August 2011, 09:06
I know it's late in the day but does anybody know who's doing the telecomms infrastructure at the stadium?

Won't it be BT

Talk some sense!
18th August 2011, 09:11
Won't it be BT

BT Openreach will be installing the fibre etc but there's probably a managed service company working on behalf of the club or through teh contractors who are organising the work. I work for a managed service company who would potentially carry out the work you see and was just curious as to who was doing it. Occasionally BT will run with these things directly but if the club wanted phone systems and networks installed with maintenence they'd be going through a managed service provider.

Saint Pete !
18th August 2011, 10:43
Well hello everyone at red vee ! As u can probably see I'm new to post on here, I've always visited and read the forums but never joined, no excuses really just lazy. Well was fortunate to see a copy of seating plan with lettering for north stand today, thought I'd share it !image1.jpg

Saint Pete !
18th August 2011, 10:46
As u can tell I'm rubbish with tech I have a pic on my phone how do I attach to thread ?

saintjames
18th August 2011, 11:13
You need to host it somewhere - photobucket, flickr etc. If you are unsure you can email it to me - address in your private messages.

Saint Pete !
18th August 2011, 12:23
Thanks saint james, I went with easy option and emailed it to u, also another pic from inside ground from north stand looking at south, pitch is looking really healthy !

saintjames
18th August 2011, 12:47
Pictures courtesy of Saint Pete, the res isn't great but can work out if you are an S A I N T or S !

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6184/6055868194_b729f41db3_o.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6055320001_0ceee0f359_o.jpg

OsborneSaint
18th August 2011, 12:51
Superb pics matey! I forgot about the writing the seats would do, looks very good.

E Saint
18th August 2011, 12:51
Pictures courtesy of Saint Pete, the res isn't great but can work out if you are an S A I N T or S !

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6055320001_0ceee0f359_o.jpg

Love the V on the end.

Did you see the plan for the North stand Pete? Same design?

Saint Pete !
18th August 2011, 13:40
That is the plan for north stand, I didn't see any other plans, I was passing and just sneaked my phone in there for a photo ! I'll keep look out to see of any plans for south seating are about.

E Saint
18th August 2011, 13:43
That is the plan for north stand, I didn't see any other plans, I was passing and just sneaked my phone in there for a photo ! I'll keep look out to see of any plans for south seating are about.

ah right, looked like the south with the extended curve.

Good work sneaking a pic!!!

doghead
18th August 2011, 13:49
sat at the the side of the N.

Talk some sense!
18th August 2011, 13:55
The Red vee will be class!

doghead
18th August 2011, 14:36
sat at the the side of the N.


thought I was, f block dont have my number.

Northampton_Saint
18th August 2011, 15:03
My grumpy side can't help but feel that the stadium should have an overall white with red highlights motif going on, rather than t'other way 'round like we're getting, especially with the seating... Red seats have a tendency to go pink over time as well which might look decidedly naff in a few seasons' time.

BlackRaven
18th August 2011, 15:16
My grumpy side can't help but feel that the stadium should have an overall white with red highlights motif going on, rather than t'other way 'round like we're getting, especially with the seating... Red seats have a tendency to go pink over time as well which might look decidedly naff in a few seasons' time.

Agreed. If in the future they have to replace the red for fading, it would have been cheaper to replace red highlighting than all the red if white is the highlighting.

saintjames
18th August 2011, 16:14
You' cant have so much white as the ball gets lost in the seats.

Albion
18th August 2011, 16:16
My grumpy side can't help but feel that the stadium should have an overall white with red highlights motif going on, rather than t'other way 'round like we're getting, especially with the seating... Red seats have a tendency to go pink over time as well which might look decidedly naff in a few seasons' time.

How dirty does white get though?! Red is by far the best colour

Albion
18th August 2011, 16:17
Is it true that drums have been banned from the new ground?

Back Row Singer
18th August 2011, 16:20
Is it true that drums have been banned from the new ground?

Its not been confirmed, however quite a few sources have said they're banned.

Albion
18th August 2011, 16:23
Its not been confirmed, however quite a few sources have said they're banned.

Good! Hope this is confirmed.

Northampton_Saint
18th August 2011, 16:28
You' cant have so much white as the ball gets lost in the seats.

We'll be selling out every week so that won't be an issue, surely? ;)


How dirty does white get though?! Red is by far the best colour

We could have regular "Bring a Squeegee and Towel Day"s at the ground coordinated on redvee, with the potential for lots of polls on what type of towel people will be bringing along and what type of detergent they'll be using. I vote for a purple towel from BHS and Tesco's own brand washing-up liquid. It'll be fun.

Albion
18th August 2011, 16:39
We could have regular "Bring a Squeegee and Towel Day"s at the ground coordinated on redvee, with the potential for lots of polls on what type of towel people will be bringing along and what type of detergent they'll be using. I vote for a purple towel from BHS and Tesco's own brand washing-up liquid. It'll be fun.

Think you could be on to something there...however, seats will be mainly red so it will only be available to the select few...

Lex
18th August 2011, 16:41
We'll be selling out every week so that won't be an issue, surely? ;)



We could have regular "Bring a Squeegee and Towel Day"s at the ground coordinated on redvee, with the potential for lots of polls on what type of towel people will be bringing along and what type of detergent they'll be using. I vote for a purple towel from BHS and Tesco's own brand washing-up liquid. It'll be fun.

Dont laugh. But I take a couple of Flash floor wipes to the games at Widnes now !!

Northampton_Saint
18th August 2011, 16:46
Dont laugh. But I take a couple of Fash floor wipes to the games at Widnes now !!

Not laughing at all - I'm tempted to wear a paper suit and a respirator every time I go knowing that my seat is usually occupied by a knuckle-scraping chav Widnes type... ;)

EcclesMark
18th August 2011, 19:03
I'm almost certain your not allowed predominantly white seating. As stated above the problems created by not being able to see the ball.

Slightly off topic but I wonder how much we would be looking at to sponsor the west stand terrace? How good would the REDVEE.net end be!

volls_dad
18th August 2011, 19:46
Slightly off topic but I wonder how much we would be looking at to sponsor the west stand terrace? How good would the REDVEE.net end be!

It's a bargain at:
East or West Stand Naming Rights
- 3 year deal
- 2 tickets to sponsors lounge
- 1 car park pass
- Full page programme
- Perimeter Board
- Player Appearance
Total cost = £30k + VAT per annum for 3 years

but you'll have to squeeze together a bit to fit into the car parking space!

Northampton_Saint
18th August 2011, 19:56
It's a bargain at:
East or West Stand Naming Rights
- 3 year deal
- 2 tickets to sponsors lounge
- 1 car park pass
- Full page programme
- Perimeter Board
- Player Appearance
Total cost = £30k + VAT per annum for 3 years

but you'll have to squeeze together a bit to fit into the car parking space!

Worth every penny to buy rights to the away end and call it something like "The Dirty, Cheating Loser Scumbags" stand... If only I were a millionaire...

Windle Lad
18th August 2011, 22:57
Post on RLFANS from Saints Fan who asked staff at the forum tonight re finished look of the stadium. As discussed above North Stand to be cladded, West & East Stand are going to be as is i.e. what you see now is how it's going to be - not clear whether there will be any external cladding over the exterior of the breeze block. Money cited as an issue re this.

somerset-saint
19th August 2011, 06:35
Is it true that drums have been banned from the new ground?

finger crossed

Sadfish
19th August 2011, 08:32
Post on RLFANS from Saints Fan who asked staff at the forum tonight re finished look of the stadium. As discussed above North Stand to be cladded, West & East Stand are going to be as is i.e. what you see now is how it's going to be - not clear whether there will be any external cladding over the exterior of the breeze block. Money cited as an issue re this.

It did also say they do plan to clad the whole stadium but it may not be from the off, minus a 1m area between the roof and the rear of the stand.

RedVee Admin
19th August 2011, 08:59
Is it true that drums have been banned from the new ground?
Everything that I've heard suggests that this is true: no drums or musical instruments will be allowed at the New Stadium.

OsborneSaint
19th August 2011, 09:28
Post on RLFANS from Saints Fan who asked staff at the forum tonight re finished look of the stadium. As discussed above North Stand to be cladded, West & East Stand are going to be as is i.e. what you see now is how it's going to be - not clear whether there will be any external cladding over the exterior of the breeze block. Money cited as an issue re this.

Ah, this is just gonna take the shine off the new stadium for me. Damn!

RedVee Admin
19th August 2011, 09:40
Agreed - the last thing I expected or wanted was another "stand that only goes three quarters of the way along the touchline cos we ran out of bricks".

wardies love child
19th August 2011, 10:32
Everything that I've heard suggests that this is true: no drums or musical instruments will be allowed at the New Stadium.

Wigans drummer boy has been told no drums will be allowed.

saintjames
19th August 2011, 11:03
Agreed - the last thing I expected or wanted was another "stand that only goes three quarters of the way along the touchline cos we ran out of bricks".

To be fair it was in the plans for all to see...the full cladding of the North Stand is new, the plans only show cladding in the centre.

If the phased cladding has enabled a higher specification of stadium to be built then it can be justified. With the new revenue streams you would expect the club to be able to finance stadium improvements just as Warrington have.

RedVee Admin
19th August 2011, 12:10
Wigans drummer boy has been told no drums will be allowed.
MWAHAHAHA
stick that up his brigantes

Saint Ged
19th August 2011, 13:54
Thank you Saints, its about time ALL clubs banned them.

DD
19th August 2011, 18:15
Post on RLFANS from Saints Fan who asked staff at the forum tonight re finished look of the stadium. As discussed above North Stand to be cladded, West & East Stand are going to be as is i.e. what you see now is how it's going to be - not clear whether there will be any external cladding over the exterior of the breeze block. Money cited as an issue re this.

Its going to lose a hell of a lot of atmosphere this. Trust Saints to do half a job. ;)

SaintPeter
19th August 2011, 18:23
not clear whether there will be any external cladding over the exterior of the breeze block.
The breeze block is the final finish. I ave just seen the planning app amendment. They are also putting roller shutters on all turnstyles for security on non match days. Also the app for the north stand cladding was only put in last week and has a pending status. Maybe this is why it wont be finished on time aswell

Agent Mulder
19th August 2011, 18:31
The breeze block is the final finish. I ave just seen the planning app amendment. They are also putting roller shutters on all turnstyles for security on non match days. Also the app for the north stand cladding was only put in last week and has a pending status. Maybe this is why it wont be finished on time aswell

As long as the pitch is playable and we fans can get in to sit or stand as the case maybe, I'm not bothered if the cladding is late going up.

SaintPeter
19th August 2011, 18:44
the ammendment to the east and west stands are to replace 4m high timber and metal clad with the same height fair faced breeze block

RedVee Admin
19th August 2011, 18:49
Everything that I've heard suggests that this is true: no drums or musical instruments will be allowed at the New Stadium.


Its going to lose a hell of a lot of atmosphere this. Trust Saints to do half a job. ;)

I think this is more in context... :D

doghead
19th August 2011, 18:53
Cladding the North stand will give the stadium a more balanced look, I wonder how much our concerns have driven the changes.

SaintPeter
19th August 2011, 19:04
the size of the stadium and the gaps might not be that bad, draft wise as there is a huge hole in the roof over the pitch. Pressure on both sides should be the same so even in high winds it should just feel like a draft. The opposite is why your back door slams when you open the front door

wardies love child
19th August 2011, 19:28
Can we open the roof in the east stand when Leeds and the bulls visit.

100% Saint
19th August 2011, 21:11
Can we open the roof in the east stand when Leeds and the bulls visit.


No we'll just turn on the sprinklers ;)

Saint_down_under
19th August 2011, 23:25
There seems to be a prevailing view that the presence or lack of cladding is a major determining factor as to the quality of the stadium. Having spent many a year at KR being poured on with rain, wind swept at times, all this playing in the winter months. I dont think the lack of a bit of cladding really matters, the club and more importantly the fans are getting a stadium, at last, truly befitting a great club and great fans. he fans of St Helens, for many years turned up week after week to watch, at times, mediocre players in a mediocre stadium. The quality of play has improved exponentially, the stadium is finally catching up. Hopefully this will be a boost to the team to go to new heights and return to the top of Superleague in the best stadium in Superleague.
The fans getting frustrated by the rumours and counter rumours of what the final product will look like need to be communicated to and the final design outlined, in some detail, to confirm or deny the various rumours doing the rounds. Projects of this nature very often are quite dynamic and change as the project proceeds due to all sorts of reasons from financial to material to engineering developments and considering the state of the financial world right now if the board have had to "cut the cloth to suit" then have trust that it is done for the right reasons.

Phil Dunderpants
20th August 2011, 00:50
There seems to be a prevailing view that the presence or lack of cladding is a major determining factor as to the quality of the stadium.

You're right its not but when Saints themselves come up with nice shiny videos of what our new stadium will look like, and then change it, smacks of incompetence.

It doesn't matter how anyone trumps it up its going to look like a half finished stadium and the missing cladding is never going to happen. With the bridging loans and the club trying to recoup some of the previous years losses then the last thing they will want is any expense on something that they will class as 'unnecessary'

How much did all that red cladding cost? Me,personally, I think it looks awful. How much money could have been saved on that?

We've gone from KR (admittedly hemorrhaging money) to a half finished tornado alley but as long as Mr McManus is nice and cosy in his red cladded office then everything is ok?

I'm glad I waited before I bought my season ticket.

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

Samba
20th August 2011, 01:37
well only time will tell who is right !

......and now Saints have admitted that the terraces will be open :wink:

Phil Dunderpants
20th August 2011, 01:58
......and now Saints have admitted that the terraces will be open :wink:

and every other club in Super League are ****ing their sides laughing at us.

Sadfish
20th August 2011, 08:57
and every other club in Super League are ****ing their sides laughing at us.

Not really, its in the plan to complete the cladding.

Things change, the value of the sale of the ground was down over £1.5 million, we're hardly flush with money and the stadium will be complete to use to full capacity.

There are plenty of stadia about that have open areas, the Olympic Stadium, Leicester ground, even Murrayfield has open rear areas.

I think it will look fantastic either way.

wardies love child
20th August 2011, 09:30
and every other club in Super League are ****ing their sides laughing at us.

So will you be going to support your club then?

Blobbynator
20th August 2011, 10:00
You're right its not but when Saints themselves come up with nice shiny videos of what our new stadium will look like, and then change it, smacks of incompetence.

It doesn't matter how anyone trumps it up its going to look like a half finished stadium and the missing cladding is never going to happen. With the bridging loans and the club trying to recoup some of the previous years losses then the last thing they will want is any expense on something that they will class as 'unnecessary'

How much did all that red cladding cost? Me,personally, I think it looks awful. How much money could have been saved on that?

We've gone from KR (admittedly hemorrhaging money) to a half finished tornado alley but as long as Mr McManus is nice and cosy in his red cladded office then everything is ok?

I'm glad I waited before I bought my season ticket.

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

Christ, it's not that bad.

I'm disappointed that it won't all be cladded and enclosed, but we still have a fantastic stadium. I think we should wait until it's finished and the all the scaffold etc has gone before we fully judge.

Buddy
20th August 2011, 11:17
Christ, it's not that bad.

I'm disappointed that it won't all be cladded and enclosed, but we still have a fantastic stadium. I think we should wait until it's finished and the all the scaffold etc has gone before we fully judge.

How anyone can complain about the stadium is beyond me.

somerset-saint
20th August 2011, 11:25
How anyone can complain about the stadium is beyond me.

beyond me too...... I was thinking this was all a bad joke at first....

100% Saint
20th August 2011, 11:49
Some people are hard to impress.

Agent Mulder
20th August 2011, 12:13
It will still be the best rugby stadium in the country cladded or uncladded.

newport dave
20th August 2011, 13:50
Some people are hard to impress.

No...some people are just muppets.

Sadfish
20th August 2011, 14:37
No...some people are just muppets.


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Dicko
20th August 2011, 15:32
And probably half of them moaning don't even bother going to watch and prefer to sit in the chair watching sky

Saint Ged
20th August 2011, 15:33
When you have had people saying to you has i have you might have a good team but you have crap stadium and you could not argue, now we can argue we are going to have one if not the best rugby league stadiums in Britain, and still people moan and they are our own so called supporters, come on see the light we campaigned for it we did everthing poss ible to help a good board of directors to make the thing happen and still you moan. Get real there is a reccession on.

The Captain
20th August 2011, 17:05
Its not a massive issue for me, however I can understand its a little disappointing that it wont be finished as first planned when we take it over. I have taken quite a bit of pride in telling people we have shiny new enclosed stadium, ala Old Trafford, Emirates etc. Whatever the reasons for this, it has taken the cherry off the top and gave a little avenue for p!ss taking for other fans. In reality there should be no window for that and we should be the envy of all without reproach.

Why does the club never seem to be able to do anything perfectly?

That said I am still hugely looking forward to taking my spec in the West Stand and enjoying the future we have.

Northampton_Saint
20th August 2011, 17:50
Stadium:MK is similarly clad down both sides and unclad (with the back of the concrete terracing openly visible) at either end, and it still looks fabulous inside and out so I see no reason why our ground won't be any different. Appalling overreactions as usual. Let's at the very least see what it looks like when it's actually finished and we're in it before assembling the lynch mobs, eh?

The Captain
20th August 2011, 18:01
Stadium:MK is similarly clad down both sides and unclad (with the back of the concrete terracing openly visible) at either end,

http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/england/milton_keynes_dons_stadium_hok030108_2.jpg

It looks fine, like you say. Similarly with the pics of the Leicester Stadium on the other forum, also looks fine. Im sure it will still be fantastic and going past earlier it still looks great in the flesh in its current state.

I certainly haven't overreacted, just stating I am a little disappointed, as its not going to be as first proposed.

Blobbynator
20th August 2011, 18:07
Stadium:MK is similarly clad down both sides and unclad (with the back of the concrete terracing openly visible) at either end, and it still looks fabulous inside and out so I see no reason why our ground won't be any different. Appalling overreactions as usual. Let's at the very least see what it looks like when it's actually finished and we're in it before assembling the lynch mobs, eh?

Here's some pics of that stadium btw so people can imagine what ours may look like:

Outside:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Milton_Keynes_-_stadium_-_mk_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1846109.jpg

http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/463/367963-2.JPG

Inside but notice the big gaps at the top:

http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/england/milton_keynes_dons_stadium_hok030108_1.jpg

Aerial shot:

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/sports/gallery2/d/1217-1/ba07634.jpg

saint mac
20th August 2011, 19:25
Good pics I will be happy with it looking like that.It's not what we expected 1 year ago but times are tough.We are lucky to be where we are now considering the financial climate.I cant wait to sit in my seat in the North Stand.

DD
20th August 2011, 19:35
There seems to be a prevailing view that the presence or lack of cladding is a major determining factor as to the quality of the stadium. Having spent many a year at KR being poured on with rain, wind swept at times, all this playing in the winter months. I dont think the lack of a bit of cladding really matters.

People won't be saying that when those stood towards the rear of the West Stand get absolutely soaked when the wind and rain combine together. Remember the prevailing wind is from the west and that rain is going to go right through the gap and soak half of the West Stand.

saint mac
20th August 2011, 19:50
Did you ever go to Knowsley Rd

WidnesSaint
20th August 2011, 19:52
[QUOTE=Blobbynator;373993]Here's some pics of that stadium btw so people can imagine what ours may look like:

Outside:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Milton_Keynes_-_stadium_-_mk_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1846109.jpg

Not being funny but that looks F***ing awful ! If ours looks like that then we will get laughed at ! And i will be laughing with them, thats a joke !

saint mac
20th August 2011, 19:55
Why? all the stadium won't look like that.

WidnesSaint
20th August 2011, 19:56
Why all the stadium won't look like that.

It still looks awful and i for one would not be proud of it, it looks dreadful. Im hoping to god we get it fully finished for the season !

saint mac
20th August 2011, 20:00
Lets wait until it is finished and see what it looks like

volls_dad
20th August 2011, 20:30
Not being funny but that looks F***ing awful ! If ours looks like that then we will get laughed at ! And i will be laughing with them, thats a joke !

Don't be such a tool - how did you think the inside of the MK stadium looked? If any other teams' supporters have a laugh at the new stadium they need to look at their own first..... only Hull have a fully enclosed stadium (and that was bl**dy cold this year, when it was warm outside!!). Widnes standard is about as good as it gets other than the KC - and I don't see many people advocating that we replicate the Smell Dome experience! The only thing I'd be concerned about at the Halo is if non-South-standers (that includes me!!) get wet and wind-blown, but if that's the case (temporarily) we'll have to put up with it... if you've got the money to fill the gap left by the revaluation of Knowsley Rd I'm sure that Eamonn will be happy to take your call.

RedVee Admin
20th August 2011, 20:38
Stadium MK is unfinished - everyone knows that.

They completely built the bottom tier and the bones of the upper tier, then stopped. The intention is to finish the upper tier at a later date and add a third tier.

So to compare our new stadium to one that is by design deliberately uncompleted, is a bit unfair.

Windle Lad
20th August 2011, 20:47
Think the only issue here has been one of expectation. Rightly or wrongly Saints have always fronted things with the impressive South Stand in the artists impressions, and obviously the video walk through (though this is a pretty basic stadium view). Reality is the plans always showed this was how the Stadium would look but has never been shown publicly. I never knew that the Walker Stadium or MK Dons had exactly the same design (with the 4m wall), and if they had wanted to the club could have easily illustrated this. Maybe they anticipated some of the reaction, who knows, but personally think some of this discussion could have been avoided. I have heard all sorts of reasons why there is a gap (inc lack of money) and to be honest I am past caring - I have become more interested in checking the web site to see how many seats have gone in the 2 new stands!

Once the seats are in and a bit more colour is added it will look great. The Chairman has done a fantastic job in making this stadium a reality, but as said some of the negativity (even if relatively small) could IMO have been avoided by the club.

saint mully
20th August 2011, 21:01
After getting over my initial disappointment over the cladding (or lack of) I'm sure it will still look fantastic and it's the inside that's more important. Better to have something missing on the outside than inside I suppose :) I can probably only fully judge when it's actually finished and we've all been to it!
Hopefully it will remain in the clubs' plans to complete it eventually...
Looking forward to going to the Roadshow next Thursday and renewing my Season Ticket, still can't wait for it to open!

Eddie Hemmings' Wig
20th August 2011, 21:04
i think it looks great, cladding or no cladding.

saint mac
20th August 2011, 21:06
[QUOTE=RedVee Admin;374014]Stadium MK is unfinished - everyone knows that.

They completely built the bottom tier and the bones of the upper tier, then stopped. The intention is to finish the upper tier at a later date and add a third tier.

So to compare our new stadium to one that is by design deliberately uncompleted, is a bit unfair.[/Quote That's exactly what we are doing.
We have a new stadium that is not finished to the spec we expected. It is still to a better standard than some stadiums that were buit to in more proserous times.I think our stadium will way better than them.It is a buiding site at the moment.It will be brilliant come the new year.

Windle Lad
20th August 2011, 21:10
some more pics posted on RLFANS http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&sid=f307ff5cccc90c544435b3feb66079f2&start=2040

100% Saint
20th August 2011, 21:20
Good pictures they are

Northampton_Saint
20th August 2011, 21:51
Not being funny but that looks F***ing awful ! If ours looks like that then we will get laughed at ! And i will be laughing with them, thats a joke!

Don't be silly. I've been in and around Stadium:MK many, many times and in the flesh it's as good a looking stadium as any in the country, end cladding and externally visible terracing or not - the only thing that gets laughed at there is MK Dons struggling to get near half filling it every week. If our stadium looks half as good we'll be well sorted. I hope we have the same padded seats and legroom for starters as they're lush...


People won't be saying that when those stood towards the rear of the West Stand get absolutely soaked when the wind and rain combine together. Remember the prevailing wind is from the west and that rain is going to go right through the gap and soak half of the West Stand.

I'm sure with the sizeable overhang of the roof over the back of the stand that won't be an issue 99% of the time. I'm sure it's all been designed with that in mind by people who know what they're doing...

Phil Dunderpants
20th August 2011, 21:52
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6184/6062235561_ec5dfd794e_b.jpg

It may just be the camera angle but that wall doesn't look 4m high to me.

I hope they have some good night time security because with no cladding it ain't gonna take kids long to get over that wall.:sad:

E Saint
20th August 2011, 22:32
The huge gap between the 4m wall and the roof certainly explains what the 'halo' effect of the roof.

The stadium will obviously be infinitely better than kr both aesthetically and in terms of facilities, but I can't help feeling a little disappointed about it not being fully enclosed. Especially with all the cgi pics showing it as fully enclosed, such as the one used as the top banner on the superstore sight.

http://www.saintssuperstore.com/

Dicko
20th August 2011, 22:40
Dont all The Whingers complaining about The Stadium make you sick FFS We have a brand spanking new home to be reet proud off we ain't lodgers or rent payers like some of our close neighbours so lets give the club all our support instead of pulling them to pieces. We should all stand tall and be proud of what has been achieved in the current financial circumstances that the whole country is in not just St.Helens RLFC.

Sadfish
20th August 2011, 22:40
you know I do keep telling everyone that it will be fully enclosed but maybe not from day 1, but soon after.

It's like i've lost my voice or something.

wardies love child
20th August 2011, 22:46
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6184/6062235561_ec5dfd794e_b.jpg

It may just be the camera angle but that wall doesn't look 4m high to me.

I hope they have some good night time security because with no cladding it ain't gonna take kids long to get over that wall.:sad:
Standard door structural opening is 2.1m, I expect they'll be slightly bigger. 17 course of block (if my eyes are correct) gives you a tad over 3.8 then you have what looks like a coping stone so I guess the wall is 3950mm give or take a little.

I agree with the security but have faith as KR (rest her soul) took decades to end up in the state she was in when loved.
I think if the weather does create a problem it will be dealt with sooner rather than later.

Unforgiven
20th August 2011, 22:57
you know I do keep telling everyone that it will be fully enclosed but maybe not from day 1, but soon after.

It's like i've lost my voice or something.

Nope. It's because on some occasions that you post you have the air of a condescending know it all - people see what they see not what they are promised. Come back down to earth and your posts may be afforded a tad more credence. Don't mean to offend but at times you do have the air of a preacher.

People are not stupid. They were promised one thing; even if only graphically. The reality looks very different, hence the disappointment and scepticism. We expected and were promised an all enclosed, from the start, stadium and it hasn't happened. It may happen eventually and I hope it does. But it's not what was on the menu is it? I'm surprised you are surprised by that.

Until it is there'll be incessant questions as to why so maybe stop being surprised that people won't just take your word for it.

Phil Dunderpants
20th August 2011, 23:02
but maybe not from day 1, but soon after.

If that cladding is fitted on the whole stadium before 2015 I'll show my arse on the town hall steps.

Look at the numbers on the other thread.
Bridging loan of £8,000,000 with a further £750,000 in interest alone to be paid back over 18mnths.
Losses total more than £3m in the last four years. Thats even before this year which will see losses go even higher.
Four directors loaned £850,000 in FY2010 - Kevin Marren, £50,000; Fergus Lyons, £325,000; Andy Bell, £400,000; Michael Coleman, £75,000.

This kind of outgoing will have to be reversed so I can't see any further 'unnecessary' expenditure being classed as high priority.

There's a lot of 'if's' regarding the new stadium as far as size of crowds,merchandising,corporate events etc etc.
The Saints board are going to have to be in the new stadium for at least 12mnths to have a realistic cash flow projection and proper figures rather than guestimates.

So you would realistically be looking at a least 2013 before any decision would even be discussed about finishing the cladding.

Windle Lad
20th August 2011, 23:35
you know I do keep telling everyone that it will be fully enclosed but maybe not from day 1, but soon after.

It's like i've lost my voice or something.

If you provide the evidence for this maybe it would be taken on board. The only comment I have seen from the club on this is that reported by Saints Fan on RLFANS, which was mentioned a couple of pages back where you added to my post picking a section out that said the whole lot would be cladded. However you could have picked out the following (as posted by Saints Fan in the same post):

"Unfortunately for those of us in the West Stand, and the same goes for the East Stand, we will not be cladded by handover date or indeed any time in the foreseeable future as the cost has become a problem"

To be honest I am getting bored with all this now, but if you have some extra info that the club has shared with you I am happy to hear it and we can move on.

Dynamite Don Brennan
20th August 2011, 23:44
If that cladding is fitted on the whole stadium before 2015 I'll show my arse on the town hall steps.

Look at the numbers on the other thread.
Bridging loan of £8,000,000 with a further £750,000 in interest alone to be paid back over 18mnths.
Losses total more than £3m in the last four years. Thats even before this year which will see losses go even higher.
Four directors loaned £850,000 in FY2010 - Kevin Marren, £50,000; Fergus Lyons, £325,000; Andy Bell, £400,000; Michael Coleman, £75,000.

This kind of outgoing will have to be reversed so I can't see any further 'unnecessary' expenditure being classed as high priority.

There's a lot of 'if's' regarding the new stadium as far as size of crowds,merchandising,corporate events etc etc.
The Saints board are going to have to be in the new stadium for at least 12mnths to have a realistic cash flow projection and proper figures rather than guestimates.

So you would realistically be looking at a least 2013 before any decision would even be discussed about finishing the cladding.

Well just mabe you should get on bended knee and thank God for Eamon????

forward ref
21st August 2011, 00:19
you know I do keep telling everyone that it will be fully enclosed but maybe not from day 1, but soon after.

It's like i've lost my voice or something.

Of course it's in the plans. The difference is, you believe the cladding will soon follow. Many others obviously don't. Whether it's in the plans or not.

Phil Dunderpants
21st August 2011, 00:19
I agree with the security but have faith as KR (rest her soul) took decades to end up in the state she was in when loved.

KR was always its own saviour because of its location in the town.

Sutton and Parr have a far better breed of chav and the stadium will be like a moth to a flame.:(

Albion
21st August 2011, 00:31
Why moan about something that hasn't even been completed yet?

As for security problems...do you honestly believe that the club have not thought about that?

I think sometimes people moan on here just for the sake of it - at least wait until it's been handed over before saying we will be a laughing stock etc...

Phil Dunderpants
21st August 2011, 00:51
Why moan about something that hasn't even been completed yet?

I've only said I'm disappointed.

As for security problems...do you honestly believe that the club have not thought about that?

They probably haven't to be totally fair and I've yet to see ANY info on the subject.

I think sometimes people moan on here just for the sake of it - at least wait until it's been handed over before saying we will be a laughing stock etc...

If you equate fans being lied to as moaning then so be it. Go look at the website for the new stadium,its still showing a fully enclosed stadium. Perhaps someone should edit it with a big 'COMING SOON?'

Albion
21st August 2011, 00:57
If you equate fans being lied to as moaning then so be it. Go look at the website for the new stadium,its still showing a fully enclosed stadium. Perhaps someone should edit it with a big 'COMING SOON?'

I'd hate to see what happens when you're more than disappointed - you're having a good moan here!


If that cladding is fitted on the whole stadium before 2015 I'll show my arse on the town hall steps.

Look at the numbers on the other thread.
Bridging loan of £8,000,000 with a further £750,000 in interest alone to be paid back over 18mnths.
Losses total more than £3m in the last four years. Thats even before this year which will see losses go even higher.
Four directors loaned £850,000 in FY2010 - Kevin Marren, £50,000; Fergus Lyons, £325,000; Andy Bell, £400,000; Michael Coleman, £75,000.

This kind of outgoing will have to be reversed so I can't see any further 'unnecessary' expenditure being classed as high priority.

There's a lot of 'if's' regarding the new stadium as far as size of crowds,merchandising,corporate events etc etc.
The Saints board are going to have to be in the new stadium for at least 12mnths to have a realistic cash flow projection and proper figures rather than guestimates.

So you would realistically be looking at a least 2013 before any decision would even be discussed about finishing the cladding.

I understand you're disappointed but you are talking about something that hasn't been completed yet

wardies love child
21st August 2011, 01:03
KR was always its own saviour because of its location in the town.

Sutton and Parr have a far better breed of chav and the stadium will be like a moth to a flame.:(

You have a point and the blockwork is like a blank canvas to an artist as such, especially the north stand area.
Sticking with a positive thoughts though and hope it works out for the good.

Phil Dunderpants
21st August 2011, 01:31
I understand you're disappointed but you are talking about something that hasn't been completed yet

Completed or not its highly unlikely that there will be a massive cash investment any time soon. The naming rights on the stadium is the way to go...we NEED to get that right.

It will massively help to alleviate some of the funding problems.

doghead
21st August 2011, 09:37
KR was always its own saviour because of its location in the town.

Sutton and Parr have a far better breed of chav and the stadium will be like a moth to a flame.:(

go along the disused rail line, they are already there.

Sadfish
21st August 2011, 10:22
Nope. It's because on some occasions that you post you have the air of a condescending know it all - people see what they see not what they are promised. Come back down to earth and your posts may be afforded a tad more credence. Don't mean to offend but at times you do have the air of a preacher.

People are not stupid. They were promised one thing; even if only graphically. The reality looks very different, hence the disappointment and scepticism. We expected and were promised an all enclosed, from the start, stadium and it hasn't happened. It may happen eventually and I hope it does. But it's not what was on the menu is it? I'm surprised you are surprised by that.

Until it is there'll be incessant questions as to why so maybe stop being surprised that people won't just take your word for it.

ooohhhh touchy :)

As for being "promised" something, Eamonn 'promised' a new stadium, and that's what we've got, although, in reality, HE OWES US NOTHING, we owe him everything as the club would have ceased a long time ago without him.

In saying that the directors aren't without recourse but they seem to be delivering what the plans set out and thats good enough for me!

I think if you are dissapointed with the new stadium it's time for you to go and watch some other team/sport. ;)

Albion
21st August 2011, 10:35
Completed or not its highly unlikely that there will be a massive cash investment any time soon. The naming rights on the stadium is the way to go...we NEED to get that right.

It will massively help to alleviate some of the funding problems.

You have completely missed my point.

You have already decided that this stadium is going to be a laughing stock and look awful when it hasn't even been handed over to Saints yet.

tongey
21st August 2011, 10:57
I'm gutted that the ground isn't going to be cladded all the way round. But we all should be greatful that we've got a ground at all. I'm sure once we start to make a profit the club and the council will put the money back into finishing the ground off.

Let's all just wait until we see the finish product, as the ground still looks brilliant.

Unforgiven
21st August 2011, 11:56
ooohhhh touchy :)

As for being "promised" something, Eamonn 'promised' a new stadium, and that's what we've got, although, in reality, HE OWES US NOTHING, we owe him everything as the club would have ceased a long time ago without him.

In saying that the directors aren't without recourse but they seem to be delivering what the plans set out and thats good enough for me!

I think if you are dissapointed with the new stadium it's time for you to go and watch some other team/sport. ;)

I'm too old to be touchy mate ():). Seriously I don't think anyone in their right mind can be disappointed with the new stadium at all - but that's not my point really. I couldn't agree more that the Directors owe us nothing and I am full of admiration for all of them, without exception. I am not in the small minority of the moaning brigade.

However, that doesn't address the point about managing expectations. The web site, drawings et al certainly led the majority of fans to believe that the stadium would be a standard bearer and was all enclosed from day one. As another poster pointed out, there's a dearth of detailed info as to whether it is/isn't or isn't/will be - I am sure you'll agree that communication is an area where we are still sadly lacking and simply by stating 'you know it will be' really does little but reinforce the fact that it 'won't be' when most were of the view that it 'would be' because that's what we were led to believe.

That said, I hope you are right and it happens sooner rather than later. My deeper concern is that the delay is directly linked to the Club's rather parlous financial state. That's a bigger worry than any stadium enclosure.

Voll au Vent
21st August 2011, 12:33
This whole thread is developing into a Life of Brian, 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' style farce.
Sadfish is correct, anyone who's disappointed with the new stadium, really should have a good hard look at themselves.

Windle Lad
21st August 2011, 13:25
I don't agree with many of the negative comments on here but what irritates me most is that as soon as somebody has a different opninion even if it is reasoned they are labelled as a muppet or somehow not worthy. I don't see many posters, if any, actually criticising the Chairman, how could you? However what I will reiterate is that the club have clealry avoided publically showing the finished look of the whole stadium when they knew how it would look (as it is built to plan). They may well have a justified reason for this, but all the same it is a key reason for some people's expressed dissapointment, which I am sure they will move on from.

shabbashaz
21st August 2011, 14:55
Christ, it's not that bad.

I'm disappointed that it won't all be cladded and enclosed, but we still have a fantastic stadium. I think we should wait until it's finished and the all the scaffold etc has gone before we fully judge.

Couldn't have said it better myself, can't believe some people won't buy an ST cos of this.......

Phil Dunderpants
22nd August 2011, 00:14
I don't agree with many of the negative comments on here but what irritates me most is that as soon as somebody has a different opninion even if it is reasoned they are labelled as a muppet or somehow not worthy. I don't see many posters, if any, actually criticising the Chairman, how could you? However what I will reiterate is that the club have clealry avoided publically showing the finished look of the whole stadium when they knew how it would look (as it is built to plan). They may well have a justified reason for this, but all the same it is a key reason for some people's expressed dissapointment, which I am sure they will move on from.

Oh My God...its like the holy grail of Redvee!!!

An absolute spot on,sensible,unbiased articulate post.

Post of the year.

reliable sauce
22nd August 2011, 01:32
I'm totally begind on stadium watch.
Im guessing the section that will not be enclosed will be the away end?

Gruntfuttock
22nd August 2011, 07:24
both ends , home and away it has been said

SaintPeter
22nd August 2011, 08:34
Big delivery of tiles just arrived


This is the company who is supplying the tiles (http://www.euxton-tile-supplies.co.uk)

reliable sauce
22nd August 2011, 11:49
The new stadium will generate loads of money, I am 99% sure thousands more fans will be attending next season.

Fans from other team will also want to 'try out' the new stadium.

Hopefully the stands will be completed in future years.

Derek Smalls
22nd August 2011, 12:09
It's no bloody wonder we can't afford to enclose the ends if we're getting tile From Euxton Tiles.
Probably the dearest place for tiles in the northwest. :shock:

treewizard
22nd August 2011, 15:45
I see Saints have responded on Face Book stating all sides WILL be clad but maybe not by season's start as timings are tight. No mention of any areas being left unclad and no mention of money being the issue.

Sadfish
22nd August 2011, 16:10
I see Saints have responded on Face Book stating all sides WILL be clad but maybe not by season's start as timings are tight. No mention of any areas being left unclad and no mention of money being the issue.

huzaaaaaaah!!!!! :)

BlackRaven
22nd August 2011, 16:23
It won't look finished, but I don't doubt its only time/money preventing it happening now and will be done in the future. Plus, who knows we may need to expand the stadium before then!!

Windle Lad
22nd August 2011, 17:13
I see Saints have responded on Face Book stating all sides WILL be clad but maybe not by season's start as timings are tight. No mention of any areas being left unclad and no mention of money being the issue.

Fair dos - good response from Saints to ongoing comment. Think we can leave this behind now.

Re the tiles comment above maybe this is an idication that Saints are pushing the boat out with the South Stand fit - think this has always been hinted at.

screwtinizer
22nd August 2011, 23:36
Tweeted this earlier, but here it is for all you non-twitter users.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn313/screwtinizer/Stadium/SAI.jpg