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Gruntfuttock
14th September 2008, 18:35
For all those poor people that dont live in God`s own Country , St Helens to you;) , Myself and

Mrs Gruntfuttock
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/mrsg.jpg

went down and took some pictures


taken straight across the link road
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site1.jpg


the warehouses on the left are where the staium is going
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site2.jpg

taken from the footbridge by the mining monument
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site3.jpg

the mysterious "footbridge" site , still not sure about this
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site4.jpg

looking towards the new building over the canal
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site5.jpg

coming out onto the linkway
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site6.jpg

and just for a bit of nostalgia , as I was taking the pictures what should show up but this

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/bus.jpg

hope you like them and I will hopefully show some more as the work progresses:D

Blobbynator
14th September 2008, 18:41
That'd be awesome. You can be our official Redvee stadium diary! :D

Gruntfuttock
14th September 2008, 18:49
Yea but I aint goin up there every week you know , oh and defo not whle its raining!;) :D

Agent Mulder
14th September 2008, 18:57
Some roving reporter you're turning out to be.;) Talk about fairweather.lol

Good piccies though and it will be nice to see updates now and again.

Perhaps we should keep this thread as a sticky so others can post piccies etc as things progress.

oldun
14th September 2008, 19:11
Some roving reporter you're turning out to be.;) Talk about fairweather.lol

Good piccies though and it will be nice to see updates now and again.

Perhaps we should keep this thread as a sticky so others can post piccies etc as things progress.
Good Idea:)

Gruntfuttock
14th September 2008, 21:25
Whoever that was Thanks for making it a sticky

Syd
15th September 2008, 11:14
Is there a heli pad?

Artiekelie
15th September 2008, 12:26
thanks these are very interesting

Gruntfuttock
15th September 2008, 12:45
Is there a heli pad?

there might be one at the George but you will have to walk from there :eek: ;) lol

doghead
15th September 2008, 13:02
The second picture, the black building close to the smaller of the two chimneys, has gone, I have been told the work being carried out (4th picture) is the footbridge,

Gruntfuttock
15th September 2008, 13:16
Blimey that was quick work , those pictures were only taken yesterday , mind you most of the black building was down anyway I think only one wall was up

Tobias
15th September 2008, 13:29
Is Mrs Gruntfuttock called Anne?

Gruntfuttock
15th September 2008, 14:03
Yes , Why? Dont tell me you know her !

Murgatroyd
15th September 2008, 17:06
Thanks for the pics.Its nice for folks like me in the badlands to see the progress.

Jackbit
15th September 2008, 18:35
Looks as though the Goons are launching rocket attacks on the place already in picture 4!!

Love the shot of the leaning Gas Tower.

Tobias
15th September 2008, 19:39
Thanks for the pics.Its nice for folks like me in the badlands to see the progress.

Perhaps. Does her maiden name begin with an 'E'?

Saints-Crusaders
15th September 2008, 19:47
I think you might have quoted the wrong person Tobias lol

Tobias
15th September 2008, 19:52
I think you might have quoted the wrong person Tobias lol


Oops :o :eek:

Gruntfuttock
15th September 2008, 20:24
Yes Tobias it does begin with an E

Tobias
15th September 2008, 20:31
Yes Tobias it does begin with an E

... and does she have 2 sisters and 0 brothers?

Blobbynator
15th September 2008, 20:33
Er, can you PM each other guys?

Saints-Crusaders
15th September 2008, 20:34
... and does she have 2 sisters and 0 brothers?



Is this 20 questions ???? just tell him whether or not you know her and if she is an ex of yours lol ;)

Gruntfuttock
15th September 2008, 21:13
Sorry Blobby

Naturalised_Yicker
18th September 2008, 22:29
Great pic of the bus,,,,,which is a good reminder to everyone to visit the transport museum.....well worth it !!!!!

Gruntfuttock
18th September 2008, 23:59
Not some more pictures but I have mocked up a map to show the relative positions of the developement on the site , hope it`s clear

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/map1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/map2.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/map3.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/map4.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/map5.jpg

see what I mean ?

bobble
19th September 2008, 10:41
Great maps Gruntfuttock.
Can you point out on the map where the footbridge will cross? I can't see it or figure it out.

Gruntfuttock
19th September 2008, 10:59
Thanks Mate I try me best

At the top of the map where it says Linkway E , they are digging where the N in Linkway is , we assume that is where its going to go , but nobody is exactly sure

ChemicalBrother
19th September 2008, 12:11
Where did the arrow above the footbridge comef rom? Ive never seen it when I drive into St Helens on the link road?? Id it like that unpside down rainbow in the paper yesterday?

Gruntfuttock
19th September 2008, 12:23
OMG we are being attacked by Aliens , I never noticed when I took the picture , spooky eh;) :D

bobble
19th September 2008, 13:31
Thanks Mate I try me best

At the top of the map where it says Linkway E , they are digging where the N in Linkway is , we assume that is where its going to go , but nobody is exactly sure

Thanks

Saintwellens
19th September 2008, 15:58
Nice work Gruntfuttock

Scouse Don
19th September 2008, 16:05
What happenned to the glass bottling plant listed building thingy?Is it on the photo's anywhere?

Wirral Saint
19th September 2008, 16:26
Brillaint work. Well done the Gruntfuttock family.

Gruntfuttock
19th September 2008, 16:31
What happenned to the glass bottling plant listed building thingy?Is it on the photo's anywhere?
The Cannington Shaw Bottle Kiln ? (Geek mode off)
its the red blob on the stadium plan and on the first picture the ruin in the top left of the site


Brillaint work. Well done the Gruntfuttock family.

and thanks Mr Wirral :D

iSaint
19th September 2008, 16:55
I've done a hybrid version of the map ....

Thanks again for all of the info and the pics.... It's great to see pics from home :-)

http://www.mojofilter.co.uk/mapremixed.jpg

ExiledWool
19th September 2008, 17:03
Oooh great work. It's happening :D Maybe I'll be able to afford to go to more games by that time too.

Gruntfuttock
19th September 2008, 22:43
your welcome ISaint
hope to post some more soon

Saint
20th September 2008, 16:15
I thought work was only due to start in early 2009? Great idea for a thread and thanks for the photos, Gruntfuttock.

I'd like to see some more artists impressions as to what the stadium is going to look like, as there have been conflicting reports as to whether the stadium will be an enclosed 'bowl' design, and as yet we haven't seen many images of how the stadium will look, as opposed to say Liverpool and Everton's new stadium proposals which have had a load of images released.

Gruntfuttock
20th September 2008, 22:17
Your all very welcome for the photos
as you can see they are only clearing part of the site and not the bit where the Stadium and Tesco`s will actually stand , but its nice to see something is actually happening , and as I said I will be updating the thread as more work is being done , when the plans were on display in the Town Hall I seem to remember that 3 stands were to be connected in a U shape and the fourth would stand on its own , but I haven`t got any pictures to put on here of that.

Cedarman
20th September 2008, 22:39
Taken this afternoon......

http://photoshack.com/albums/userpics/18648/bus.jpg


....................been back tonight and it's melted!!

stparr
20th September 2008, 22:42
looks like the butter advert think it was lurpak

davo1
21st September 2008, 06:00
I thought work was only due to start in early 2009? Great idea for a thread and thanks for the photos, Gruntfuttock.

I'd like to see some more artists impressions as to what the stadium is going to look like, as there have been conflicting reports as to whether the stadium will be an enclosed 'bowl' design, and as yet we haven't seen many images of how the stadium will look, as opposed to say Liverpool and Everton's new stadium proposals which have had a load of images released.
heard rumour only started work due to people some how getting on to site and lets say borrowing the old copper cable that was in the old factory that they have knocked down.security on there 24/7 now .

Gruntfuttock
21st September 2008, 16:20
Wrong roundabout Steve , thats why it disappeared ;) :D

been up again today and this is the state of the place at the moment
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site210908.jpg

and also a bit of messing around in the Gimp (Free Photoshop type prog)


Future Echos

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/COMBINED-1.jpg

enjoy

Sceptical Ste
22nd September 2008, 12:10
Can someone explain how to download photos onto redvee. I have tried various ways but cannot get them on. I have put text on the photos, will this affect downloading here? I have tried with the [IMG] etc. Do I need to zip them? Are the images too big? Do I need to link them? Can someone please help me before I smash this computer up.

Duffman
22nd September 2008, 12:13
You need to upload them to photobook or flikr or something similar, then link to them from your posting here.

Sceptical Ste
22nd September 2008, 12:17
Thanks

peter soutos tash
22nd September 2008, 16:24
Thanks

technology and old people
like wigan and trophies
:D

Gruntfuttock
22nd September 2008, 16:40
Oi watch it young whippersnapper , I only traded in me ZX81 last year ;) :D

Yeovil Saint
22nd September 2008, 17:35
just wondering how far from the town centre the stadium is going to be ?

peter soutos tash
22nd September 2008, 18:35
Oi watch it young whippersnapper , I only traded in me ZX81 last year ;) :D

spectrum?
:D

Sceptical Ste
22nd September 2008, 20:48
Oi watch it young whippersnapper , I only traded in me ZX81 last year ;) :D


Trust me, tash is not a young whippersnapper;)

peter soutos tash
22nd September 2008, 21:03
Trust me, tash is not a young whippersnapper;)
ouch......younger than you mate
:D :D :D

Sausalito
22nd September 2008, 21:39
just wondering how far from the town centre the stadium is going to be ?

10mins walk;)

Sceptical Ste
22nd September 2008, 22:00
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos014.jpg

Gruntfuttock
22nd September 2008, 22:07
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/town.jpg

the large red cross is the site

The yellow is the Train Station on Shaw St

The green is the Bus Station

Blue is Victoria Square where the Town Hall is

oh and the red dot is The George Public House where you will be able to enjoy a nice pint or two on Match Days , before staggering.....er I mean strolling down to the Stadium , nice isnt it?

hope that helps our out of town Saints fans:D

Gruntfuttock
22nd September 2008, 22:09
Nice picture Ste :D

Sceptical Ste
22nd September 2008, 23:06
Some more pictures.
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos006.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos024.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos030.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos031.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos034.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos053.jpg

Sceptical Ste
22nd September 2008, 23:13
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos049.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos061.jpg

Gruntfuttock
23rd September 2008, 09:15
Very nice pictures Ste
especially the close ones of the site:D

Sausalito
23rd September 2008, 11:10
Excellent job.:cool:

saintnic
23rd September 2008, 15:18
Blimming fantastic pictures!!!

Saintwellens
23rd September 2008, 15:20
Well done Ste great pics,very interesting

peter soutos tash
23rd September 2008, 16:23
Well done Ste great pics,very interesting

theres just no stopping him now
go ste go ste go ste
:D :D :D

Duffman
24th September 2008, 12:08
Class pictures!

The Chair Maker
27th September 2008, 20:41
I was talking to the builders today about this path/road being built , which many people have assumed to be part of the stadium Bridge. I have had it confirmed that this is nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium development but is infact an emergency access and egress route for the new office development being constructed across the canal.

There will however be a footbridge built across the canal which spectators will use for the new stadium,this footbridge is going at the side of the new office building thats being built.

ETA for completion of this work is December.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site6.jpg

stparr
27th September 2008, 23:35
thanks for ****ing on our chips lol

St Adrian
28th September 2008, 08:15
I was talking to the builders today about this path/road being built , which many people have assumed to be part of the stadium Bridge. I have had it confirmed that this is nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium development but is infact an emergency access and egress route for the new office development being constructed across the canal.

There will however be a footbridge built across the canal which spectators will use for the new stadium,this footbridge is going at the side of the new office building thats being built.

ETA for completion of this work is December.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site6.jpg

The offices are those of the St Helens Chamber of Commerce, which are due to complete February 2009.

Gruntfuttock
28th September 2008, 12:23
To be fair I did say we weren`t sure about that , it did seem a bit too narrow to let emergency vehcles over it ,

Greengrass
28th September 2008, 13:26
To be fair I did say we weren`t sure about that , it did seem a bit too narrow to let emergency vehcles over it ,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Steam_fire_engine_1906_arp.jpg


Due to funding difficulties withibn Merseyside Fire Service.

doghead
28th September 2008, 15:53
I was talking to the builders today about this path/road being built , which many people have assumed to be part of the stadium Bridge. I have had it confirmed that this is nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium development but is infact an emergency access and egress route for the new office development being constructed across the canal.

There will however be a footbridge built across the canal which spectators will use for the new stadium,this footbridge is going at the side of the new office building thats being built.

ETA for completion of this work is December.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site6.jpg

Read my post 10th September,
http://www.redvee.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10170&highlight=footbridge

Gruntfuttock
28th September 2008, 18:49
Due to funding difficulties withibn Merseyside Fire Service.

didn`t think we had anything that modern to be honest:eek: lol

Cedarman
3rd October 2008, 14:31
http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/resources/images/669048/?type=display


.............. this is the replacement for Kierons chocolate statue!!!

Gruntfuttock
3rd October 2008, 20:32
:eek: :eek: :eek:
could cause a few accidents on the roundaboutlol

Cedarman
3rd October 2008, 22:08
:eek: :eek: :eek:
could cause a few accidents on the roundaboutlol


what I wanna know is how did she keep that pose for so long lol lol

Gruntfuttock
3rd October 2008, 22:26
superglue?lol

doghead
3rd October 2008, 22:39
Somewhere to park my bike.

Two Wheeled Saint
4th October 2008, 08:44
Leeds are toying with one for Robbie Burrows.
http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/yoda-ep1-statue.jpg

saintyick
4th October 2008, 13:16
Fantastic Pictures Everyone.

Keep up the good work! :D

SaintedGran
5th October 2008, 13:35
great pics and a gud idea to keep us all updated on the grounds progress cheers

Sceptical Ste
7th October 2008, 22:41
Some more pictures

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture041.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture036.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture035.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture019.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture017.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture003.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture001.jpg

Brimah Kebbie
8th October 2008, 13:06
You do know the stadium hasn't officiallly got planning permission.

doghead
8th October 2008, 14:25
You do know the stadium hasn't officiallly got planning permission.

oh I OK.:???:

bobble
8th October 2008, 16:01
You do know the stadium hasn't officiallly got planning permission.

I assume that's a joke?

bobble
8th October 2008, 16:22
Just got notification of a change of address from a haulage company
Road Haulage Services: Philips John K Group Ltd
Address: Stadium Industry Park, St. Helens, WA9 3AN.

Brimah Kebbie
8th October 2008, 16:45
I assume that's a joke?

Check the Council website as it's still shown as pending captain!

Tobias
8th October 2008, 16:47
Clearly out of date then ...

Brimah Kebbie
8th October 2008, 16:49
Nope.....

Two Wheeled Saint
9th October 2008, 06:22
Just got notification of a change of address from a haulage company
Road Haulage Services: Philips John K Group Ltd
Address: Stadium Industry Park, St. Helens, WA9 3AN.
The area has been known as Stadium Park for many years now :???:

gateaux
9th October 2008, 07:47
You do know the stadium hasn't officiallly got planning permission.
You better tell the club this then!

http://saintsrlfc.com/news/1159

daves
9th October 2008, 09:55
Check the Council website as it's still shown as pending captain!

Presumably,until a plan for the Bottle Shop is finalised to the satisfaction of English Heritage.

Brimah Kebbie
9th October 2008, 12:25
Presumably,until a plan for the Bottle Shop is finalised to the satisfaction of English Heritage.

Aye, once Langtree have given details for all outstanding issues then the decision notice shall be issued.

Also, none of the work that has gone on at the UG site recently has anything to do with the stadium.

bobble
9th October 2008, 13:39
Aye, once Langtree have given details for all outstanding issues then the decision notice shall be issued.

Also, none of the work that has gone on at the UG site recently has anything to do with the stadium.

Spoil sport, you'll be telling us we got beat in the grand final next.

bobble
9th October 2008, 13:39
The area has been known as Stadium Park for many years now :???:

Know-all, why didn't you tell me?

itwillalwaysbewithme
9th October 2008, 16:19
As I was coming home from work I found it quite interesting that one of the chimney towers at the site was smoking,

Gruntfuttock
9th October 2008, 17:10
Also, none of the work that has gone on at the UG site recently has anything to do with the stadium.

we knew that , as it`s on the wrong side of the site from where the Stadium is going , I never said they were building the stadium, just that there was activity on the site and this is what it looks like! for all the fans who couldn`t see for themselves

Ted Baker
22nd October 2008, 15:02
Still finding it hard to believe the whole thing is still going ahead in light of the current economic climate...

I know for a fact the issue of the Bottle building / Monument hasnt been resolved yet.. funding/mantenance et al ?

Also wasnt part of the deal based upon the sale value of KR ??? In this climate ( where land values are at rock bottom !!! ) who in their right mind is going to give top dollar for KR ???

Don't think the sums add up as of yet !

DD
22nd October 2008, 16:25
Still finding it hard to believe the whole thing is still going ahead in light of the current economic climate...et !

There are thousands of other construction projects continuing across the country, so why not this one?

The whole world has not come to a grinding halt yet.

Buddy
22nd October 2008, 16:36
There are thousands of other construction projects continuing across the country, so why not this one?

The whole world has not come to a grinding halt yet.

I think this thread has been hijacked by the local chapter of pesimissts (sp) anonymous. They're using it to spread their downbeat mantra to all who will read it.

Please •••••• off back to supporting Man City or back to the Black Bull where you will be happy find your pint glass half empty.

The work wasn't due to start this year and guess what it hasn't. Planning permission was given Pending a satisfactory solution to the bottle shop- the bloody thing is a 300 year old derelict building- its going to take a bit of thought to stop it falling on someones head.

The chairman has said the buying of knowsley road is not a problem - I believe him

get over yourselves

doghead
22nd October 2008, 20:12
Looks like the stadium is starting to have a knock on effect , the retail park in Peasley Cross Lane is having a load of work done, several new shop are going up, can only be because there's going to be plenty of people knocking about in that area in 2 years time.

DD
23rd October 2008, 09:29
Please •••••• off back to supporting Man City or back to the Black Bull where you will be happy find your pint glass half empty.

I think you'll find that I was putting the pessimists in their place actually. ;)

Buddy
23rd October 2008, 10:06
I think you'll find that I was putting the pessimists in their place actually. ;)

Yes I was agreeing with you.

DD
23rd October 2008, 10:49
Yes I was agreeing with you.

Well as I am just about the only Manchester City supporter on here, your comment was slightly misdirected! lol

Buddy
23rd October 2008, 13:24
Well as I am just about the only Manchester City supporter on here, your comment was slightly misdirected! lol

sorry but you will understand what I mean when I say that sometimes you get the feeling some city fans are only happy when things are going against them. And that its becoming like that on here in some cases.

Two Wheeled Saint
2nd November 2008, 06:40
Any new pics?

Sceptical Ste
2nd November 2008, 23:01
Some more pictures just for you Two Wheeled Saint.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture082.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture077.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture058.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture054.jpg

Two Wheeled Saint
3rd November 2008, 10:07
Are they going to pull the chimneys down or take them apart?

Duffman
6th November 2008, 12:52
Are they going to pull the chimneys down or take them apart?

Shame Fred Dibnah is no longer with us.

Cedarman
6th November 2008, 18:53
Shame Fred Dibnah is no longer with us.


.............just hope Kieron's statue is not as bad as Freds statue in Bolton!!!:eek:

Legolas
6th November 2008, 18:55
Well as I am just about the only Manchester City supporter on here, your comment was slightly misdirected! lol

I'm a Manchester City fan aswell DD

peter soutos tash
6th November 2008, 18:56
I'm a Manchester City fan aswell DD

you must be from manchester then
:rolleyes:

Chestersaint
7th November 2008, 15:39
Is ManchesterSaint so ashamed they have put their response in tiny text, almost a whisper!!!

Bit like the atmosphere at football then. Non exsistent.

And before all the football fans start on, yes I have been, to old trafford many times and it is quiet.

wabo
7th November 2008, 16:09
I'm a Manchester City fan aswell DD

me too, small world innit! lol

Chris Saint
18th November 2008, 16:07
Nice to see demolition work is continuing ok, not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but McManus quotes in an interview for the Chamber of Commerce "Comment" magazine that work is progressing as planned and actual construction is still targeted to start mid 2009.

Also noticed yesterday 2 road workers erecting a sign on the central reservation, opposite the disused (unless you want to directions to a computer fayre) lay-by, advising future traffic its a one way exit onto a dual carriage way - a first to have them ahead of the game

peter soutos tash
18th November 2008, 16:24
me too, small world innit! lol

small trophy cabinet........coincidence or weird
:???:lol

downknowsleyroad
18th November 2008, 18:25
Bit like the atmosphere at football then. Non exsistent.

And before all the football fans start on, yes I have been, to old trafford many times and it is quiet.

I've been to Knowsley Road, the CC Final and the Grand Final many times and they can be quiet too.

Legolas
24th November 2008, 17:53
Is ManchesterSaint so ashamed they have put their response in tiny text, almost a whisper!!!

Bit like the atmosphere at football then. Non exsistent.

And before all the football fans start on, yes I have been, to old trafford many times and it is quiet.

You are damn right I am ashamed. They sell the club to a Tyrant who is then subsequently convicted of corruption who sacks a good manager for no justifiable reason and installs a cretin leading to a further sale to more foreign investors; and all because the FA is more incompetent than the RFL. Football is crap, I agree, but as its the majority sport, and where I work, it makes sense to still follow it. Plus there are so many fans of other clubs, I didn't really want to get into a football argument which I would lose because the sport is so crap.

Legolas
24th November 2008, 17:59
I've been to Knowsley Road, the CC Final and the Grand Final many times and they can be quiet too.

The atmosphere might be quiet sometimes but it sure as hell ain't boring every game.

Regarding the new stadium, does anyone have more info on the preservation of the ancient monument?

ploughman
24th November 2008, 18:37
Regarding the new stadium, does anyone have more info on the preservation of the ancient monument?

any supporters of other clubs please observe the above line and proceed to make jokes about saints playerslol

bobble
25th November 2008, 10:06
Will all the football fans please find another thread to bleat on.

Duffman
26th November 2008, 15:36
Any more pictures/progress reports?

Gruntfuttock
26th November 2008, 15:44
doesn`t seem to be much happening on site at the moment , still tidying up the bit they have demolished , nothing much will happen now till the spring I believe

but I will update the thread as soon as there is something to see

Sceptical Ste
1st December 2008, 22:16
View looking south from the edge of the town centre.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture099.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture092.jpg

Footbridge update

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture113.jpg

Phase 2

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture108.jpg

doghead
1st December 2008, 22:46
One of the chimneys was smoking again today.

Gruntfuttock
1st December 2008, 23:00
Nice pictures Ste:)

oldun
1st December 2008, 23:57
One of the chimneys was smoking again today.
Well it was old enough to smoke;)lol:)

peter soutos tash
2nd December 2008, 09:50
so thats where you was on sunday ste
lol

Sceptical Ste
5th December 2008, 16:20
Nice pictures Ste:)

Cheers Gruntfuttock, I have a good few hundred pictures of the site so I should be able to do some good before and after shots when the stadium is completed.


so thats where you was on sunday ste lol


sssh was supposed to be Christmas shopping ;)

peter soutos tash
6th December 2008, 11:13
Cheers Gruntfuttock, I have a good few hundred pictures of the site so I should be able to do some good before and after shots when the stadium is completed.



sssh was supposed to be Christmas shopping ;)

have you got mine yet
:???:lol

doghead
11th December 2008, 13:32
View looking south from the edge of the town centre.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture099.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture092.jpg

Footbridge update

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture113.jpg

Phase 2

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture108.jpg

The fourth picture, only the chimneys and the batch plant are still up, its all cleared this side of the link road now.

Saint
16th December 2008, 21:17
Does anyone happen to have the link to the Council page with the stadium plans/elevations on?

Sceptical Ste
16th December 2008, 22:16
This is the planning application page. The plans are more general arrangement drawings rather than detailed drawings with elevations ,etc.

http://212.248.225.150:8080/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=50095

Scouse Don
17th December 2008, 16:13
Just hope there's a crispy cod in one stand !!

Sceptical Ste
17th December 2008, 16:25
Just hope there's a crispy cod in one stand !!

No crispy cod, just prawn sandwiches all round ;)

peter soutos tash
17th December 2008, 18:33
No crispy cod, just prawn sandwiches all round ;)

lollollol

doghead
18th December 2008, 23:08
This is the planning application page. The plans are more general arrangement drawings rather than detailed drawings with elevations ,etc.

http://212.248.225.150:8080/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=50095

What you need to do is click on the above address, then scroll down to, Level 00 general arrangement plan, and the following 01 and 02 general arrangement plans, then blow up on the drawing on those pages, it gives all the details about the new stadium, you have the ground floor of the main stand on one page and the upper floor on another page, its a bit tricky keeping the drawing centre page but well worth it.
It gives all the info you require and more about the new stadium.

The V man
22nd December 2008, 16:15
Would like to say thanks to everyone who has posted picture updates. I've been at uni in sheffield so ive not been able to see the developments.
The images from the council website look good too but i think it still should be an all seater stadium.
I know, worse atmosphere etc but i think we need to get with the 21st century.

Saint Bert
22nd December 2008, 16:18
i think it still should be an all seater stadium.
I know, worse atmosphere etc but i think we need to get with the 21st century.

And lose a big chunk of support!

gateaux
22nd December 2008, 16:22
Would like to say thanks to everyone who has posted picture updates. I've been at uni in sheffield so ive not been able to see the developments.
The images from the council website look good too but i think it still should be an all seater stadium.
I know, worse atmosphere etc but i think we need to get with the 21st century. Why? What is wrong with having a mix of seated and standing to allow fans to make the decision which they prefer? Surely thats the best way to keep everyone happy?

And compared to what we have now I would say we will defiently be "getting with the 21st Century" won't we!

Supersaint
22nd December 2008, 16:38
And lose a big chunk of support!


What a load of rubbish!!! i'll pull a child like strop and not go just because I cant stand up, sheesh.

It shouldn't matter wether you are sitting or standing....You go to support your team.

Blobbynator
22nd December 2008, 16:46
What do you class as a big chunk of support? To me that sounds like several thousand and I very much doubt that.

Saints-Crusaders
22nd December 2008, 21:12
It shouldn't matter wether you are sitting or standing....You go to support your team.



That's bollocks...... if that was true, then more people should also go to watch them while we're still at KR or whatever you wanna call the stadium.

To use the poor facilities as an excuse for not going is wearing a little thin.....you're there to support your team

bobble
22nd December 2008, 21:43
and another thread gets hijacked

gateaux
22nd December 2008, 22:21
and another thread gets hijacked

:confused::confused::confused: How is discussing the stadium on the stadium thread it being hijacked?

Saint Bert
23rd December 2008, 07:34
What do you class as a big chunk of support? To me that sounds like several thousand and I very much doubt that.

The whole support is several thousand!! :???: If only 200 stop going that at £18 a head and including only 5 cup/playoff matches is nearly £70,000 A decent players salary in other words, I would call that a big chunk.

There are only 3 facts on this issue.

1. All seater MAY bring in some new fans

2. Only time will tell if new fans become die hards

3. All seater WILL turn some dies hards away

I am a customer, I want a product, that product is to watch Rugby League in an environment and in a way I wish, when that is removed then so is my custom.

There is only one ground where you get problems not being able to stand and watch your team, that is Huddersfield, and that is also the place that most fans I know are not arsed about attending.

Blobbynator
23rd December 2008, 07:47
The whole support is several thousand!! :???: If only 200 stop going that at £18 a head and including only 5 cup/playoff matches is nearly £70,000 A decent players salary in other words, I would call that a big chunk.

We may lose 200 of the 'so called' die hards, but I reckon alot of people who don't go regularly will become regulars purely because we're playing in a good facility. I bet attendances go up in the new stadium.

Sadfish
23rd December 2008, 08:15
Eamonn mentioned at the shareholders meeting that details of standing /seating are yet to be finalised and there shouldbe consultation.

A freedom of choice is clearly the way forward, and he and the board know that.

Saint Bert
23rd December 2008, 08:56
We may lose 200 of the 'so called' die hards, but I reckon alot of people who don't go regularly will become regulars purely because we're playing in a good facility. I bet attendances go up in the new stadium.


But your risking numbers who WILL stay away hoping that some new supporters MIGHT become regulars.

It won't be anyway, the plans already have the standing areas set behind the goals, that will do me.

I just hate the fact that some people would think it is a good idea to remove choice.

gateaux
23rd December 2008, 09:32
Leaving a choice of sitting or standing is certainly the best way forward really, a layout like Warrington have would in my opinion be the better choice as it gives people plenty of choice between sitting and standing and ends or side.

Two Wheeled Saint
23rd December 2008, 09:33
But your risking numbers who WILL stay away hoping that some new supporters MIGHT become regulars.

It won't be anyway, the plans already have the standing areas set behind the goals, that will do me.

I just hate the fact that some people would think it is a good idea to remove choice.
I'm with you all the way Bert

Div
23rd December 2008, 12:15
What a load of rubbish!!! i'll pull a child like strop and not go just because I cant stand up, sheesh.

It shouldn't matter wether you are sitting or standing....You go to support your team.



I dont want to sit thanks.

I used to watch football fairly regulary too until it went all seater and it was never the same experience for me.

Im not sure I would go if I was forced to sit.

Buddy
23rd December 2008, 14:19
I think there should be standing area because there is a demand for it, and as said previously the club should give its customers what they want.

I think there will be standing area because it was part of the plans and there is no reason to change it.

And attendances will go up when we get out new stadium but it will be a novelty value, and just like at Warrington that will die off in bad weather or a run of bad results. So don't cater for those who say they will come, cater for those who actually put their money where there mouth is.

Div
23rd December 2008, 14:53
I think there should be standing area because there is a demand for it, and as said previously the club should give its customers what they want.

I think there will be standing area because it was part of the plans and there is no reason to change it.

And attendances will go up when we get out new stadium but it will be a novelty value, and just like at Warrington that will die off in bad weather or a run of bad results. So don't cater for those who say they will come, cater for those who actually put their money where there mouth is.


Spot on.

Supersaint
23rd December 2008, 17:43
I dont want to sit thanks.

I used to watch football fairly regulary too until it went all seater and it was never the same experience for me.

Im not sure I would go if I was forced to sit.


I'm sure you would.

And just to clarify I am not against standing area i'm just saying it's a pathetic response to people who refuse to go just because they cant choose wether to sit or stand to support their team.

The V man
23rd December 2008, 20:06
I still agree with my statement that started this whole debate off. Okay it may not be a all seater stadium but I think im right in saying that the McManus has said the standing areas could be reduced as time goes on. I think people will stil want to stand for the first few seasons show thier 'passion' & 'die hard' etc. I know when ive been at hudds, hull, wigan & catalans (the make-shift stand at the school field) ive wanted to stand but only for high points, tries, tough calls etc.
Lets just see what happens but i think more season tickets and capacity in terms of percentage will be filled in the seating areas than the standing.

Sean Day
23rd December 2008, 20:35
Have never sat down at Saints but I would rather sit down in the new stadium if it means watching the game from around the half way line. Sitting doesn't bother me

Buddy
23rd December 2008, 22:25
Have never sat down at Saints but I would rather sit down in the new stadium if it means watching the game from around the half way line. Sitting doesn't bother me

Sitting doesn't bother me either espcially now my son comes along, but that's not the point. The point is that a large section of fans want a standing area & they should get it.
Too much consideration is taken for people who might go to games & not enough for those who do.

doghead
23rd December 2008, 22:38
Simple, anybody who stays away because its all seated is not a Saints fan, if you can stand in the ••••••ing down rain, you can sit down for two hours in the dry, but standing must be an option.

Sean Day
24th December 2008, 10:10
The point is that a large section of fans want a standing area & they should get it.
Too much consideration is taken for people who might go to games & not enough for those who do.

I absolutely agree, just stating my personal preference. For others it will be standing, so there has to be that choice

Div
24th December 2008, 10:21
Simple, anybody who stays away because its all seated is not a Saints fan, if you can stand in the ••••••ing down rain, you can sit down for two hours in the dry, but standing must be an option.



Its not a wet or dry issue !!

Noel Cleal
24th December 2008, 10:30
I do not see why everyone is so against sitting. I think the only motive can be cost, in which case we should be more concerned about a price increase at the new stadium rather than seats.
I hope the seating sections are reserved seating. Turning up at Wigan 3 hours early to get four seats together is a real pain.
I am sure the plan is to have a lot of seating as these are easier to sell in advance.

Div
24th December 2008, 10:42
I do not see why everyone is so against sitting. I think the only motive can be cost, .

I have never liked it and would pay MORE to stand up given the choice. I think the atmosphere suffers without a shadow of a doubt. I love the cameraderie of the terrace, the go mental hug everyone moments when we score a vital try ! The chants ! Tha banter ! I like the fact that I have stood on the same spec for years at Saints surrounded by familiar faces season in season out. Many lifetime friendships have been forged. This simply wouldnt happen with unrestricted seating and even with allocated seating there would only be a couple of people within chatting distance. As a season ticket holder I can invite friends / colleagues maybe new to the game and stand with them - this simply could not happen in a seating venue.

When it is seats you are up and down like a brides nightie anyway during 'periods of excitement'. Plus people continually wanting to go the toilet. Its an all round pain in the ar5e.

Buddy
24th December 2008, 10:54
I don't see cost as the issue. I think that is a very weak argument. The people who are saying they prefer to stand are the ones who almost never miss a game home or away, so I doubt thier point is based on wanting to save a few quid.

Warrington have proved you can have a new ground with good facilities and still keep the traditional terraces as well.

There is no need to have an all seater staduim. Simple as

Noel Cleal
24th December 2008, 11:09
I don't see cost as the issue. I think that is a very weak argument. The people who are saying they prefer to stand are the ones who almost never miss a game home or away, so I doubt thier point is based on wanting to save a few quid.

Warrington have proved you can have a new ground with good facilities and still keep the traditional terraces as well.

There is no need to have an all seater staduim. Simple as

The HJ is a toilet. A brand new toilet but a brick sh*t house none the less. We are getting something much better (I would at least home).

I think arguing on atmosphere is a poor one as there is little lost at the JJB. In fact derby matches at the JJB do seem to have more atmosphere.
As long as the ground is enclosed then there is no problem with atmosphere.

Grounds like the KC, JJB and the Reebok are brilliant why anyone would want to downgrade to a HJ. Lets hope we get a small KC and not a large Halliwell Jones.

I am sure anyone that is short or has kids would agree with me. All seaters are not only comfortable but family friendly.

Saint Bert
24th December 2008, 11:21
Grounds like the KC, JJB and the Reebok are brilliant why anyone would want to downgrade to a HJ. Lets hope we get a small KC and not a large Halliwell Jones.

I am sure anyone that is short or has kids would agree with me. All seaters are not only comfortable but family friendly.


Warrington away has one of the top 2 best atmospheres now, only 1 reason why! No need to point it out!

JJB is totally sh1te, sh1te view of the far end, sh1te chance of getting a decent spec ( due to the children filling up the prime seats 2 hours before KO I may add ), sh1te location.

Hull has a better atmosphere because we regularly get beat there and it is an all dayer for a lot of the Saints support and the stewards leave you alone standing up.

Reebok and Mcalpine do not even warrent a comment!

Div
24th December 2008, 11:24
I am sure anyone that is short or has kids would agree with me. All seaters are not only comfortable but family friendly.



I dont get that comment. Why does it have to be ALL seater to cater for those that want to sit ?

Noel Cleal
24th December 2008, 11:43
Warrington away has one of the top 2 best atmospheres now, only 1 reason why! No need to point it out!

JJB is totally sh1te, sh1te view of the far end, sh1te chance of getting a decent spec ( due to the children filling up the prime seats 2 hours before KO I may add ), sh1te location.

Hull has a better atmosphere because we regularly get beat there and it is an all dayer for a lot of the Saints support and the stewards leave you alone standing up.

Reebok and Mcalpine do not even warrent a comment!

I agree with the JJB problem (if you look up the thread). That is not the stadium it is the idiots that sell un reserved seating. Warrington is enclosed and they annonce every 10mins that it is a family stadium which results in singing and bad language :D. Two better reasons to your only reason.

OK you can have a standing end. None of them fancy chairs for us please. You can also have Cold coffee, warm beer squeezed out of a can and a 6"4 guy to stand in front of you if you want? It will be just like Knowsley road :D

Give me a nice seat to sit in and a good view any day off the week.

Saint Bert
24th December 2008, 12:10
I agree with the JJB problem (if you look up the thread). That is not the stadium it is the idiots that sell un reserved seating. Warrington is enclosed and they annonce every 10mins that it is a family stadium which results in singing and bad language :D. Two better reasons to your only reason.

OK you can have a standing end. None of them fancy chairs for us please. You can also have Cold coffee, warm beer squeezed out of a can and a 6"4 guy to stand in front of you if you want? It will be just like Knowsley road :D

Give me a nice seat to sit in and a good view any day off the week.

I take your point in Sarcasm but will add a serious one.

Why does everyone assume that terracing will = poor behind the scenes facilities???? :???:

As for reserved seating at matches, that would be the final nail in the coffin for derby day atmosphere, it's bad enough as it is.

gateaux
24th December 2008, 15:04
I am sure anyone that is short or has kids would agree with me. All seaters are not only comfortable but family friendly.

Rubbish - I am very short (just over 5ft) and prefer standing, in a way its easier as I can position myself where i can see where if i am sat and have someone too tall infront of me it can restrict the view for the whole game.


We have always gone as a family to the games and we all prefer standing, my sister is going to be taking the baby with her from next season and moving to the seats wasn't even mentioned.

Given the choice standing wins with me everytime

Reacher
24th December 2008, 15:37
I dont understand why we are debating this?

The new stadium unless something has happened since details were announced, will cater for sitting and standing so everyone will be happy.

So why are we labouring the point? :???:

Ps FWIW, I prefer standing :)

East Coast Saint
24th December 2008, 16:06
i agree thought it was already sorted depends what sort of a mood iam in to whether i prefer seating or standing .

Div
24th December 2008, 17:03
I dont understand why we are debating this?




Partly to keep it on the agenda pal.

In a way I see those pushing for an all seater design akin to those who demand the right to smoke whilst forgetting that the rest of us have a right not to.

ploughman
24th December 2008, 17:03
i will watch from between the half way and 20 mtr line,where i watch now.if it means sitting down,so be it,its the view that matters.

ps,as for kids taking up all the best unreserved seats at the jjb,get there a bit earlier if its such a problem,first come,first served.

Div
24th December 2008, 17:07
i agree thought it was already sorted depends what sort of a mood iam in to whether i prefer seating or standing .

Nice to have the CHOICE then eh ?

Saints-Crusaders
24th December 2008, 17:23
I've had knee problems for the past 25 years and standing can sometimes hurt but i would rather suffer the pain from standing, than be sitting down at games. I'm only 5' 10" but find that i'm really cramped up when i sit down... the only stadium with any decent legroom is Wembley

doghead
24th December 2008, 17:41
To go all seater would lose you 4000 on your capacity.

Shakespeare
25th December 2008, 00:36
To go all seater would lose you 4000 on your capacity.

If this is true, it is definitely the nail in the coffin.

peter soutos tash
28th December 2008, 11:05
Warrington away has one of the top 2 best atmospheres now, only 1 reason why! No need to point it out!

JJB is totally sh1te, sh1te view of the far end, sh1te chance of getting a decent spec ( due to the children filling up the prime seats 2 hours before KO I may add ), sh1te location.

Hull has a better atmosphere because we regularly get beat there and it is an all dayer for a lot of the Saints support and the stewards leave you alone standing up.

Reebok and Mcalpine do not even warrent a comment!

spot on al
and as div said it doesnt have to be all seater
you can mix like the hj
cater for everyone

Noel Cleal
28th December 2008, 13:57
In all seriousness. The problem with Knowley road is that you can turn up 2 minutes before the game pay on the turnstile shove your way into the middle of the popular stand and have as good a view as someone who bought a ticket in advance or has a season ticket.
I believe in order to get better crowds Saints need to encourage a culture of advance ticket buying. This will give Saints advanced income from games and allow them to sell out popular sections of the ground in advanced. This would therefore encourage more fans to have season tickets etc etc.
I am sure a lot of people like the idea of being able to deside on the day of the match if they are going to the match or not (and still get a good spec). But as someone who wants the club to be successful I want this to happen. Therefore (IMO) the stadium needs to have full seating on the sides as a minimum.

gateaux
28th December 2008, 14:01
In all seriousness. The problem with Knowley road is that you can turn up 2 minutes before the game pay on the turnstile shove your way into the middle of the popular stand and have as good a view as someone who bought a ticket in advance or has a season ticket.
I believe in order to get better crowds Saints need to encourage a culture of advance ticket buying. This will give Saints advanced income from games and allow them to sell out popular sections of the ground in advanced. This would therefore encourage more fans to have season tickets etc etc.
I am sure a lot of people like the idea of being able to deside on the day of the match if they are going to the match or not (and still get a good spec). But as someone who wants the club to be successful I want this to happen. Therefore (IMO) the stadium needs to have full seating on the sides as a minimum.

i dont see what difference it makes if someone decides 6 months in advance or six minutes in advance they are going to a game - what matters is they go to games surely?

Noel Cleal
28th December 2008, 14:04
To go all seater would lose you 4000 on your capacity.

As saints have already said what the capacity is that would indicate they already know how they are going to have the seating standing. Making this debate a little pointless. What is saints position on this? Saints Media Manager are you out there??? :confused:

Gruntfuttock
28th December 2008, 16:10
to get back to the subject of this thread , I hadn`t intended to post any new pictures but we were down there earlier on today so I snapped a couple with my mobile as you can see , one side of the site is almost clear , this is the part called phase 2

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/Photo0018.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/Photo0019.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/Photo0020.jpg

Have a nice New Year and hope to have some pictures in the spring when they start demolishing the warehouses

The Judge
29th December 2008, 14:47
Whilst I appreciate the proud traditions of the majority of the rugby league clubs the time has come to put some traditions to bed. In the present economic climate, job losses, pay cuts/freeze, job sharing etc, do you not think that a joint venture with a nearby club that is basically homeless at this moment n time would be good idea? The painting of the stadium wouldn't be a problem, both the same! Only three and a half miles for both sets of fans to travel! Half the cost to both clubs and the chance of possibly a third or fourth club in another sport moving in as tenants! Give it some thought it may well work, especially after the rumours doing the rounds with regard to your proposed new ground being put on the back burner. It wouldm`t work over here in Hull cos we really hate each other but then ours is the only true derby. Oh, by the way, Happy new year to you all lol

doghead
30th December 2008, 18:42
Great we have a back burner, didn't see that in the plans.

bobble
2nd January 2009, 17:39
Wimpeys have just withdrawn their stock from trading on the stck market today. Share price went down to 15p (it was up near 9 quid at one time). Possibly the first stage before full bankruptcy. It doesn't look hopeful for the sale of KR if they go under.

Sean Day
2nd January 2009, 19:05
A bit more news from today on TW

http://www.contractjournal.com/Articles/2009/01/02/63342/taylor-wimpeys-lenders-agree-to-waiver-of-covenant-deadline.html

Gruntfuttock
3rd January 2009, 00:26
I would just like to say









http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/ODDBALL_SAYSs.jpg


we have to trust what Mr McManus tells us , as , at the end of the day , none of us have any real idea what is going on and all this is just speculation , Rumour and Guesswork , keep the faith fellas !

bobble
3rd January 2009, 00:53
Do you really think not mentioning Wimpey's publicly recorded financial troubles will make them go away?

As for what Mcmanus tells us... he said Wimpeys are buying the land and the contract is firm. Great, except there are developments with Wimpeys on public record. You don't like that, I don't like that, but not mentioning it wont make it go away.

Gruntfuttock
3rd January 2009, 08:35
No of course not ,

my point is that we can`t affect it in any way and all the negative posts on here make it sound like nobody wants the Stadium to succeed , the only bit of real news I have seen on here is that news link , and this thread which was started to give fans a chance to see the site seems to have degenerated into spreading rumour and certain "fans" of other teams trying to troll ,

bobble
4th January 2009, 19:06
and this thread which was started to give fans a chance to see the site seems to have degenerated...


I see you didn't say that to the plonkers who constantly, incessantly and rather boringly want to discuss whether to sit down or stand up.

Gruntfuttock
4th January 2009, 21:00
That seemed to be discussion of the actual stadium itself rather than "I heard....." or suchabody is going bust etc

Sceptical Ste
5th January 2009, 22:10
Some up to date pictures
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture164.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture163.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture162.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture159.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture158.jpg

Gruntfuttock
6th January 2009, 08:47
Great pictures mate , just shows how much of the site is cleared so far
Nice one:)

doghead
6th January 2009, 09:48
Any contamination will be where the site has been cleared, I cant remember anything other than warehouses where the stadium is going to be built.

Wanderer
6th January 2009, 20:22
Fab photos. But looking at the site now, it's so hard to imagine a shiny new stadium being there instead!

Two Wheeled Saint
6th January 2009, 21:04
Is there an asbestos issue with the chimneys and the building?

Gruntfuttock
7th January 2009, 09:42
Fab photos. But looking at the site now, it's so hard to imagine a shiny new stadium being there instead!


Naaah I can see it everytime I drive past , mind I do have problems with fantasy and reality but on the whole I like my own reality:D:D

Ell Saint Blues
7th January 2009, 13:30
I see one of the chimneys went in the last few days.

Syd
8th January 2009, 11:57
Looks shyt

Yeovil Saint
8th January 2009, 18:49
Is there an asbestos issue with the chimneys and the building?


I would imagine all the chimneys built from that era would contain asbestos, and I don't believe for one moment they didn't anticpate this when the project was drawn up.
asbestos is a harmless fibre in situ, problems only arise if the fibres in the asbestos become single airborne particles, this happens when asbestos is damaged.
asbestos can be coated with a substance similar to wallpaper paste, it can then be carefully broken up and disposed of. the asbestos removal firm we use charges around £700 per day for safe removal of any amount they can in that time.

Two Wheeled Saint
8th January 2009, 20:51
I would imagine all the chimneys built from that era would contain asbestos, and I don't believe for one moment they didn't anticpate this when the project was drawn up.
asbestos is a harmless fibre in situ, problems only arise if the fibres in the asbestos become single airborne particles, this happens when asbestos is damaged.
asbestos can be coated with a substance similar to wallpaper paste, it can then be carefully broken up and disposed of. the asbestos removal firm we use charges around £700 per day for safe removal of any amount they can in that time.

The only reason I asked was they obviously are leaving these till last to demolish. I was just thinking down the asbestos angle as a reason. But Ell Saint Blues says they have removed one of them so there must not be a problem.

Cheers anyway.
:D

djgazza
8th January 2009, 22:52
The only reason I asked was they obviously are leaving these till last to demolish. I was just thinking down the asbestos angle as a reason. But Ell Saint Blues says they have removed one of them so there must not be a problem.

Cheers anyway.
:D

The ground around the batch plant and where the furnace was is badly contaminated with soda ash and syenite used in the glass making process. This was one reason why the previous attempt to build the ground on the u.g. site was shelved, because of the time it would have taken to get permission to demolish the area.

gazza

Ell Saint Blues
9th January 2009, 13:09
2nd chimney is down, the skyline has changed forever.

I used to joke with my 4 year old son that they were the sticks for the new ground!

doghead
9th January 2009, 14:26
2nd chimney is down, the skyline has changed forever.

I used to joke with my 4 year old son that they were the sticks for the new ground!


Is right both smoker's now gone, they have started to nibble away at the batch plant, cant see it from the link road, but is visible from Sutton road.
Someone was snapping away on the link road side, hope the picture's end up on here.

doghead
10th January 2009, 13:09
Got told there could be something in the next Council magazine about the new stadium, first footing's going in, or something along those lines.

Gruntfuttock
11th January 2009, 16:28
Is right both smoker's now gone, they have started to nibble away at the batch plant, cant see it from the link road, but is visible from Sutton road.
Someone was snapping away on the link road side, hope the picture's end up on here.


It wasn`t me but I went up there today and took a couple

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site1a.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site1c.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/site1b.jpg

and I noticed these grilles on the new block of flats near the transport museum where the bus offices were
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/lahforum/detail.jpg

Saint Nick
12th January 2009, 06:55
Why are people sulking were getting a new stadium so what it might take some time but believe me i would rather take my kids to watch the mighty saints at a new stadium than fight my way around trying to get a spec were they can see. Keep up the good work saints patience will be rewarded !

Sceptical Ste
18th January 2009, 00:20
Footbridge update.
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1020.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1019.jpg

Batch plant
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1031.jpg

Peasley cross lane is now closed to traffic. Looks like infrastructure work around the stadium.
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1039.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1036.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1037.jpg

Ell Saint Blues
18th January 2009, 09:10
I think Peasley Cross lane is shut as the wall that backs onto Hardshaw Brook Depot is being knocked down and replaced.

The grey building seemed to be coming down on Friday.

doghead
18th January 2009, 13:44
I think Peasley Cross lane is shut as the wall that backs onto Hardshaw Brook Depot is being knocked down and replaced.

The grey building seemed to be coming down on Friday.

That is the original wall of the old chemical factory that once stood there, and is responsible for all the chemical dumps around town, it once exploded and broke windows as far as Widnes.

The Chair Maker
18th January 2009, 17:47
There definitely looks like infrastructure work about to commence down Peasley cross lane, as there is currently a large number of pipes stored outside TKmax.

Most look like Clay Pipes, which are normally for drains, with some water pipes(black) and also electricity piping(red) there as well.
Strangely didnt notice any Gas Pipes(yellow).

Seems like either additional capacity is going in for things like drainage. Or the pipes are merely being renewed.

Dicko
18th January 2009, 18:13
Sorry to disappoint you all but The work on Peasley Cross lane is a new entrance into the retail park along side Halfords as work on the old entrance near TK Max is for a new Asda at home store nothing to do with the stadium at all.

The Chair Maker
18th January 2009, 18:41
Sorry to disappoint you all but The work on Peasley Cross lane is a new entrance into the retail park along side Halfords as work on the old entrance near TK Max is for a new Asda at home store nothing to do with the stadium at all.

Spoilsport
:(

Sceptical Ste
18th January 2009, 23:58
There definitely looks like infrastructure work about to commence down Peasley cross lane, as there is currently a large number of pipes stored outside TKmax.

Most look like Clay Pipes, which are normally for drains, with some water pipes(black) and also electricity piping(red) there as well.
Strangely didnt notice any Gas Pipes(yellow).

Seems like either additional capacity is going in for things like drainage. Or the pipes are merely being renewed.

Ever thought of going on Mastermind?

Mr Chair Maker, What is your chosen subject?

Pipes, their colour codes and services. ;)

Sceptical Ste
19th January 2009, 00:21
Some before and after photos of phase 2.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Stadiumphotos014.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture054.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/Picture159.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1033.jpg

Sceptical Ste
21st January 2009, 22:42
Sorry to disappoint you all but The work on Peasley Cross lane is a new entrance into the retail park along side Halfords as work on the old entrance near TK Max is for a new Asda at home store nothing to do with the stadium at all.

Some of the documents in the planning application have issues with Peasley Cross lane. These include, narrow pavements that would not cope with the volume of people heading back towards the town centre. Bus shelters that are blocking the pavements and bus stops that require lay-bys to avoid blocking traffic.
I was aware of the works on the retail park and assumed that the Peasley cross lane improvements would be completed at the same time. This would avoid disruption again to the retail park at a later date.
If you look at the last photo of Peasley Cross lane (6th down) you will see the pavements being blocked by the bus shelters. Maybe when they knock down the Hardshaw Brook depot wall they will widen the pavements, and incorporate a lay-by for the bus stop. I would expect the same to be done on the retail park side of the road.

coslettsboot
29th January 2009, 13:13
I have been following this thread with great exitment in anticipation of the new stadium. However, I haven't seen any detailed plans of the stadium and wondered if you that have could pass on any other facilities that the new design will offer. If you think about it the stadium will only stage about 25 rugby events a year which leaves a lot of time idle unless the stadium has other uses. I know it will probably have a corporate function but what of the community ,are there any plans for us ? I personally would like to see the stadium have bars that are open ,all the time ,not just on match days and decent bars at that .Not like the god awful Touchline. I know I for one would certainly use such a facility knowing that the club was benefiting from any profits made. Why should the surrounding pubs etc. profit from Saints throng on matchdays or any other day ,why not have the club profit.
Anybody else any ideas on what they would like to see ,besides the standing,sitting debate ?

Saint Bert
29th January 2009, 13:27
. Why should the surrounding pubs etc. profit from Saints throng on matchdays or any other day.

Because some of those Pubs have actively backed the new stadium and the club for several years, both financially from running lotteries, helping with the stadium plans and also in pure support for the team.

The Chair Maker
29th January 2009, 13:33
I have been following this thread with great exitment in anticipation of the new stadium. However, I haven't seen any detailed plans of the stadium and wondered if you that have could pass on any other facilities that the new design will offer. If you think about it the stadium will only stage about 25 rugby events a year which leaves a lot of time idle unless the stadium has other uses. I know it will probably have a corporate function but what of the community ,are there any plans for us ? I personally would like to see the stadium have bars that are open ,all the time ,not just on match days and decent bars at that .Not like the god awful Touchline. I know I for one would certainly use such a facility knowing that the club was benefiting from any profits made. Why should the surrounding pubs etc. profit from Saints throng on matchdays or any other day ,why not have the club profit.
Anybody else any ideas on what they would like to see ,besides the standing,sitting debate ?

You can find info on the following links
http://www.sthelensstadium.com/

http://www.cabe.org.uk/default.aspx?contentitemid=2134

Div
29th January 2009, 13:34
I have been following this thread with great exitment in anticipation of the new stadium. However, I haven't seen any detailed plans of the stadium and wondered if you that have could pass on any other facilities that the new design will offer. If you think about it the stadium will only stage about 25 rugby events a year which leaves a lot of time idle unless the stadium has other uses. I know it will probably have a corporate function but what of the community ,are there any plans for us ? I personally would like to see the stadium have bars that are open ,all the time ,not just on match days and decent bars at that .Not like the god awful Touchline. I know I for one would certainly use such a facility knowing that the club was benefiting from any profits made. Why should the surrounding pubs etc. profit from Saints throng on matchdays or any other day ,why not have the club profit.
Anybody else any ideas on what they would like to see ,besides the standing,sitting debate ?




I dont see any bar at the ground being sucessful away from a match day. It is a bit out of the way without a massive amount of residential housing on the doorstep. The pub trade is on its arse anyway ouside weekends and the number of boarded up pubs around the town are testement to that.

They need to maximise game day traffic.

The Chair Maker
29th January 2009, 14:00
I dont see any bar at the ground being sucessful away from a match day. It is a bit out of the way without a massive amount of residential housing on the doorstep. The pub trade is on its arse anyway ouside weekends and the number of boarded up pubs around the town are testement to that.

They need to maximise game day traffic.

If the bars have a food menu and its of decent quality then there is no reason why the club could not generate worthwhile income during the day from workers going out for a meal and drink at lunchtime, or even from shoppers at the tescos.
There are plenty of pubs in far more remote areas that generate a lot of trade, the key is to be seen as a nice place to go out for a meal and drink. This is not currently the case with Knowsley road which looks grotty.

If they have big screen entertainment on then they could organise fan nights for people to go to Saints to watch us on Sky re away games.

Saint Bert
29th January 2009, 15:13
If the bars have a food menu and its of decent quality then there is no reason why the club could not generate worthwhile income during the day from workers going out for a meal and drink at lunchtime, or even from shoppers at the tescos.


One day Chairmaker you will join reality!

http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/gallery/signs/Land_Of_Make_Believe.jpg

Billinge Lump
29th January 2009, 20:30
Because some of those Pubs have actively backed the new stadium and the club for several years, both financially from running lotteries, helping with the stadium plans and also in pure support for the team.

And which pub would you be talking about? ;)

doghead
29th January 2009, 22:44
Some of the documents in the planning application have issues with Peasley Cross lane. These include, narrow pavements that would not cope with the volume of people heading back towards the town centre. Bus shelters that are blocking the pavements and bus stops that require lay-bys to avoid blocking traffic.
I was aware of the works on the retail park and assumed that the Peasley cross lane improvements would be completed at the same time. This would avoid disruption again to the retail park at a later date.
If you look at the last photo of Peasley Cross lane (6th down) you will see the pavements being blocked by the bus shelters. Maybe when they knock down the Hardshaw Brook depot wall they will widen the pavements, and incorporate a lay-by for the bus stop. I would expect the same to be done on the retail park side of the road.

I have been told the new depot wall will be set back.

Sceptical Ste
1st February 2009, 19:12
Batch plant

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1092.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/petersandlee/100_1090.jpg

peter soutos tash
2nd February 2009, 08:03
One day Chairmaker you will join reality!

http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/gallery/signs/Land_Of_Make_Believe.jpg

where did you get that anfield sign?
lol

Sausalito
2nd February 2009, 10:56
where did you get that anfield sign?
lol


From the Matt Busby Way.lol

peter soutos tash
2nd February 2009, 12:00
From the Matt Busby Way.lol

touche
lol

Legolas
2nd February 2009, 21:37
Given the photo's I'm going to look like a right prat asking this but hey ho!!!

Where are we actually up to now in terms of the development?? Site clearance seems to be moving forward apace but are we will on schedule??

Does anyone know what happened with the historic monument preservation order?

Did anyone else see the Superbowl? I watched it out of pure curiosity and thought the Pirate ship at the stadium was magnificent. What do people think about a massive Saints stickman just outside the ground??

Wanderer
2nd February 2009, 21:49
What do people think about a massive Saints stickman just outside the ground??
That's a bit of a rude way to talk about Cunningham's statue ... ;)

Isn't building work supposed to be starting in about April time? If I remember back to a forum thingy ages ago (pre-North West quango approval), isn't work held up because Pilks still have some stuff stored on the site until then?

I'm just wondering too about Taylor Wimpey and whether building can start moving if they are still dodgy?

Dicko
2nd February 2009, 22:02
Check Taylor Wimpey out

http://www.taylorwimpey.com/home

Wanderer
2nd February 2009, 22:11
Check Taylor Wimpey out
http://www.taylorwimpey.com/home
Thanks for the link.

I read some of the financial stuff but I'm not sure I understood much of it! It looks like we'll get a better handle on things at the end of March. But they've also sold off the general construction part of the group so presumably that's put some money back into the coffers. It all looks a bit shakey still but given that they're negotiating with their financiers then things are probably more positive than they might have been. There must be some faith in the business still for the negotiations to be taking place.

Fingers crossed that they will keep on doing the business.

Legolas
4th February 2009, 11:42
St Helens insist plans for the sale of Knowsley Road and a move to a £25 million, 18.000 capacity stadium are not jepordised by the credit crunch.
Faliure to move to a new ground could cost the cup holders their elite status when negotions take place for the renewal of Super League licences in 2011.
Taylor Wimpey PLC, which plans to build 192 houses on Saints 119 year old ground reported a debt of £1.55 billion at the end of January. Their share price has been slashed and hundreds of jobs lost. The group warns it would make further writedowns to land and projects unless the housing market improves, but Saints chief excecutive Tony Colquit said 'we have a contract and there's nothing to suggest Taylor Wimpey will go out of buisness.
'Nothing has changed as far as our plans are concerned.'
Saints say the first game at their new headquarters will take place next year.

(from todays Daily Mirror)

Next year!! I am sure Eammon would like a pound of what they are smoking at the Mirror. There is no way the stadium will be built, signed off, handed over and open by next season, we are looking at 2011 at the earliest.

As Gordon Clown is so keen on investing in capital projects, where is the extra Government money to make sure it happens!!!

liverpool saint
4th February 2009, 11:45
St Helens insist plans for the sale of Knowsley Road and a move to a £25 million, 18.000 capacity stadium are not jepordised by the credit crunch.
Faliure to move to a new ground could cost the cup holders their elite status when negotions take place for the renewal of Super League licences in 2011.
Taylor Wimpey PLC, which plans to build 192 houses on Saints 119 year old ground reported a debt of £1.55 billion at the end of January. Their share price has been slashed and hundreds of jobs lost. The group warns it would make further writedowns to land and projects unless the housing market improves, but Saints chief excecutive Tony Colquit said 'we have a contract and there's nothing to suggest Taylor Wimpey will go out of buisness.
'Nothing has changed as far as our plans are concerned.'
Saints say the first game at their new headquarters will take place next year.

(from todays Daily Mirror)

The Chair Maker
4th February 2009, 12:18
Next year!! I am sure Eammon would like a pound of what they are smoking at the Mirror. There is no way the stadium will be built, signed off, handed over and open by next season, we are looking at 2011 at the earliest.

As Gordon Clown is so keen on investing in capital projects, where is the extra Government money to make sure it happens!!!

If you work on the premise of a 12 month build starting this summer, then it is possible the stadium will be finished sometime in the 2010 season.

I am however expecting things only to be ready for 2011 so it would be a pleasant surprise if everything is sorted for back end of 2010 season.

Two Wheeled Saint
4th February 2009, 13:00
Have you seen this?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby/2009/02/04/st-helens-insist-stadium-move-plans-won-t-be-credit-crunched-115875-21095844/

Div
4th February 2009, 13:12
Have you seen this?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby/2009/02/04/st-helens-insist-stadium-move-plans-won-t-be-credit-crunched-115875-21095844/


Yep 2 posts above. Come on mate what's up with you today ?!!lol

Two Wheeled Saint
4th February 2009, 14:12
Yep 2 posts above. Come on mate what's up with you today ?!!lol

Double DOH!
I've been locked away counting cash, nmy head is garbled.
:???:
I'll catch up later (with a can of Strongbow)

OsborneSaint
4th February 2009, 19:04
This is great news for anyone that had their doubts. I must admit i wasn't sure myself whether there would be any effect on this project.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-league/2009/02/04/st-helens-insist-stadium-move-plans-won-t-be-credit-crunched-115875-21095844/

bobble
4th February 2009, 19:40
See stadium watch thread at top of page.

Buddy
4th February 2009, 20:07
St Helens insist plans for the sale of Knowsley Road and a move to a £25 million, 18.000 capacity stadium are not jepordised by the credit crunch.
Faliure to move to a new ground could cost the cup holders their elite status when negotions take place for the renewal of Super League licences in 2011.
Taylor Wimpey PLC, which plans to build 192 houses on Saints 119 year old ground reported a debt of £1.55 billion at the end of January. Their share price has been slashed and hundreds of jobs lost. The group warns it would make further writedowns to land and projects unless the housing market improves, but Saints chief excecutive Tony Colquit said 'we have a contract and there's nothing to suggest Taylor Wimpey will go out of buisness.
'Nothing has changed as far as our plans are concerned.'
Saints say the first game at their new headquarters will take place next year.

(from todays Daily Mirror)



Bit of a nothing story really. It doesn't anything apart from Saints know as much about Wimpey as we do.

Two Wheeled Saint
4th February 2009, 21:30
Bit of a nothing story really. It doesn't anything apart from Saints know as much about Wimpey as we do.
Except that the sale is under contract, so if they have to pull out it will cost them. Then we can sell the same land to a fluent developer for a reduced value and still have the same deal.
:???:

Scouse Don
4th February 2009, 23:05
I think that this is because the Club had the foresight to fix the price of the sale of KR to secure the financial stability of the deal.Credit again to the Chairman and CEO.

Dyer
4th February 2009, 23:58
im sure we're only due to move to the new stadium for the 2011 season

doghead
5th February 2009, 00:59
Dont worry, with the nous big Mac has about commerce I would say he has the inside track on most things financial,

The Greatest
5th February 2009, 07:07
This is great news for anyone that had their doubts. I must admit i wasn't sure myself whether there would be any effect on this project.


lol

just because we have made a statement insisting that nothing will be wrong doesnt mean that everythings ok with it.

OsborneSaint
5th February 2009, 09:22
lol

just because we have made a statement insisting that nothing will be wrong doesnt mean that everythings ok with it.

I think you should have a little more faith in our chairman. I agree with the previous post, good move at securing a price.

Why would you want to put a negative spin on it. Some people would think people don't want this stadium to happen!

Saint Toppy
5th February 2009, 10:37
Was told by Tony Colquit that the demolition is due for completion in the next month. They will then start cleaning up the site by removing all the contaminated earth and then the main groundworks for the stadium & Tesco store will begin in Spetember. Stadium is then due for completion in December 2010 just in time for ther 2011 season.

Gruntfuttock
5th February 2009, 11:33
as I drove past this morning , the batch plant (big grey concrete building) is almost down now:D

bobble
5th February 2009, 11:51
I'm sure the chairman has a water tight contract. I'm sure everyone has the utmost confidence in him.

However......

It all depends on TW staying afloat. And nobody, not even TW, know whether they will still be trading in a few months.

Let's just hope they are, because if they're not we're f*****d.

Buddy
5th February 2009, 18:27
I think that this is because the Club had the foresight to fix the price of the sale of KR to secure the financial stability of the deal.Credit again to the Chairman and CEO.

Yes because normally people sell all sorts of things without agreeing a price:???:

If wimpy go bust tomorrow our contract is worth prescisly squat.

The statement is only posturing by mr colquitt.

having said that i don't belive there is a problem with the stadium, but mainly due to what i've read about wimpeys refinancing go ahead and them writing down land that they already have, to generate cash flow quickly